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Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by CalRobert »

oifjsidjf wrote: post #233
CalRobert wrote: post #109

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Good points until you showed obvious bias with the "fake food" comment.

OP here. You are free to feed your children with this new experimental food that has never been consumed at any point of human evolution on this planet. The last time we tried this expriment with novel new foods 10% of USA got diabetes. Do tell me how your children will end up in 20 years of this kind of food.

Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too. And entire cultures do fine without dairy. "imitation" would make sense but "fake" doesn't.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by kelipso »

bwb wrote: post #249
jiggywiggy wrote: post #234

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You missed the conclusion step

Sorry bit confused, you asked what data was and I sent you a big explanation? Sorry I am a bit literal at times, what are you requesting that you can't find on Google?

Lol, at any rate you are saying a bunch of statements that seem pretty shaky, saying they are backed by data, and not linking any sources. I guess the data is in another dimension or something.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by Aachen »

hannob wrote: post #22
scandox wrote: post #8

Anecdotally I would say that oat based milk is taking over the world (probably because it is sweeter). But it feels to me like Veganism and Vegetarianism are still quite niche.

Interestingly, I don't like most oat milks because they're so sweet. I also learned that while they almost always say they're unsweetened, that's kinda... not wrong, but misleading, as most oat milks use a production process that creates sugar. There are no-sugar or almost-no-sugar oat milks that don't do this, but they're rare.

Rare? Recently I, again, bought one of those by accident. At least in Germany and the Netherlands, it's available in most stores that also carry the sweetened ones and I find it easy to overlook the word ungesüßt/ongezoet on an otherwise identical package.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by oh_sigh »

throwaway290 wrote: post #247
wonderingwhale wrote: post #193

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I am fairly sure that there is a nestle logo on the packaging of these brands as well

Exactly. All that's required is looking at packaging. Anyone who cares about what they put into their body is already having a habit of doing that.

I'm not sure many people are checking the nutritional information of their San Pellegrino.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by bwb »

kelipso wrote: post #252
bwb wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry bit confused, you asked what data was and I sent you a big explanation? Sorry I am a bit literal at times, what are you requesting that you can't find on Google?

Lol, at any rate you are saying a bunch of statements that seem pretty shaky, saying they are backed by data, and not linking any sources. I guess the data is in another dimension or something.

For sure :)

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by Amezarak »

_0w8t wrote: post #152
Amezarak wrote: post #107

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The evidence I've seen seems to indicate that meat and dairy are the healthy alternative. They also have centuries of safety data, unlike many (most?) vegan alternatives, which rely heavily on such things as canola oil and have to be engineered. I doubt you'll agree, and I'm sure you'll be able to pull out some studies suggesting otherwise, but perhaps we can agree we shouldn't be making policy decisions that shift t…

Meat and dairy from modern factory farms that feed animals with grain is very different from farms from, say, 19th century, when cows was feed mostly grass without antibiotics and were spending a lot of time outside. So the reasons for safety do not apply.

Grass fed and finished beef is actually cheaper than factory farm meat if you buy it in bulk rather than at the supermarket.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by oifjsidjf »

CalRobert wrote: post #251
oifjsidjf wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. You are free to feed your children with this new experimental food that has never been consumed at any point of human evolution on this planet. The last time we tried this expriment with novel new foods 10% of USA got diabetes. Do tell me how your children will end up in 20 years of this kind of food.

Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too. And entire cultures do fine without dairy. "imitation" would make sense but "fake" doesn't.

>> Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too.

If we were hunter gatherers who hunted megafauna then we ate TONS of meat in the past, so this is not a difference.

And there are also cultures who do fine without veggies, the Inuit.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by WiffyUser »

CalRobert wrote: post #251
oifjsidjf wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. You are free to feed your children with this new experimental food that has never been consumed at any point of human evolution on this planet. The last time we tried this expriment with novel new foods 10% of USA got diabetes. Do tell me how your children will end up in 20 years of this kind of food.

Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too. And entire cultures do fine without dairy. "imitation" would make sense but "fake" doesn't.

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by esperent »

bitL wrote: post #141
esperent wrote: post #43

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> We lighlty compare real milk with plant based milk without being honest about the completely different properties of the two For sure, there are many differences between plant based and dairy milk. Besides the protein levels, for example, a large percentage of humans - between 10 and 90 percent depending on genetic background - are lactose intolerant and can't digest animal milk. Plant based milks don't have this p…

Mammal milk contains lactoferrin, a very powerful anti-viral/bacterial/fungal molecule that helps fighting invaders in your gut. Lactose-free milk would still work to avoid age-related digestion issues. By skipping it you are likely going to develop gut issues in a few years/decades. See the clinical section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactoferrin "Lactoferrin in sufficient strength acts on a wide range of hu…

If that's something you feel that you need, you can get it as a supplement. Or also from cow tears, apparently.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Eduard wrote: post #213
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #200

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You're looking at extremes, while I'm saying that once you cannot afford meat anymore, you cannot afford vegan alternatives either. If you can't pay 2eur for a piece of pork, you can't afford a 3-pack of bell peppers either. But you can afford a 60c half-kilo pack of pasta.

If I can buy a piece of pork for 2 EUR at my German supermarket, then this is because of the meat industry in Germany being subsidized with an estimated 13 billion EUR yearly. https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/tierwirtschaft-erhaelt-13-...

So what? So is the grains industry, and you can buy pasta for 50c.
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