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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #15

I anticipate a huge market developing for unlocked second hand European iPhones in the US.

This will likely be tied to the same region setting that the App Store is currently tied to. If you want to use side loading, you'd be tied to a European region setting, and Apple's services will be restricted to the European versions.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool. Does signal allow you to register without a phone number yet? Data-only plans with no phone number attached are quite common in some countries.

By providing Signal with any phone number at which you can receive an SMS or text message, you can register a Signal account at that other phone number. For example, you can create a pseudonymous Google account, register a Google Voice VoIP number, and use that as your Signal number. Or you can even use a free throw-away SMS account and use that number when you sign up for your Signal account instead of your real pho…

Registration also works for numbers that can receive calls but not SMS. Like any landline you (even temporarily) have access to.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

Obvious astroturfing.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #143

I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

Yes. The HN crowd is overcomplicating the issue, and Apple has as much a right as an individual to design their platform as they wish. We like to talk about giving businesses the freedom to build the products that they want and keeping regulators out of the picture and instead letting people vote with their money, yet when people actually vote with their money to buy Apple products precisely for how they are built, w…

I disagree. The mobile OS market is just not open and big enough to vote with my money.

I don’t buy iPhones because I like being unable to side load apps. I miss it a lot.

The point is that when I make my list of pros and cons of buying Android vs iOS, I still prefer iOS because, as much as I dislike Apple commercial policies and artificial lock-ins, I just loathe Google for what they are.

And don’t even call me some sort of "fanboy", I’ve used and loved Android as an OS since basically the first versions.

It’s just that iOS have a quantity of advantages I’m not willing to lose by going back to Android and that there are basically no alternative platform to run apps on.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #145
post #143

I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

"If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store"

I don't know about the other one, but in the Steam store I see "Buy" buttons, not "Rent". "Buy " in the store page, then when you go a "Shopping Cart", where you can "Purchase" the game.

To me (and to the average people, I guess) it doesn't sound as a rental service at all.

I'm sure that their ToS says otherwise, but I wonder how it would fare in a court case...

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

> Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and distribute it through other ways. With their strong position I don't have much choice - it's not like there would be five competing apps serving the same purpose (connecting to the people and communities on Facebook).

iPhone is THE hottest device on the planet, I can’t believe anyone can seriously consider Facebook challenging its position.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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As the developer of a subscription app, if unfettered side-loading is allowed I'd be worried about cracked versions of my app being distributed. We've done everything in the client for privacy and reliability, but the obvious countermeasure would be to move functionality over to a backend. This would be history echoing the transition from boxed software to SaaS.

No study managed to prove a loss of revenue with piracy, you are not going to be the first app in the world to experience it.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3577670

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #158

I am looking forward! I tried side loading the YouTube with sponsorblock and adblock, which worked but renewing the apps weekly is too much effort.

YouTube Premium is a pretty good deal and actually pays the creators when you watch their videos.

sponsorblock, sponsorblock, sponsorblock. YouTube Premium doesn't have it.
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