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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I bet you a tenner Facebook immediately moves out of EU App Store and will be sideload only, with all privacy related permissions required for the app to run.

Sure, I'll take that bet. Can you definite 'immediately'? Would a month suffice?

When the first iOS version with sideloading will roll out.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?

Unfortunately, I don't think this is always true for physical SIMs. I recently bought a temporary SIM in the US during my holidays (StraightTalk) and was surprised that you can only use the physical SIM after you register online with you IMEI. I haven't checked, but I imagine that after that the card would only work with that IMEI. Fortunately, I don't think this is a practice in Europe.

To be fair, though, Straight Talk is absolutely hot garbage. I had a fiasco trying to activate two physical SIMs and port numbers to them back in January. Their provisioning system chokes and dies on phones with both eSIM and physical SIM capability (like the factory-unlocked iPhone SE 3rd gen models I was trying to activate). I spent hours on the phone holding and talking to reps, getting disconnected and calling back to start all over again. It was a nightmare.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

Yes. The HN crowd is overcomplicating the issue, and Apple has as much a right as an individual to design their platform as they wish. We like to talk about giving businesses the freedom to build the products that they want and keeping regulators out of the picture and instead letting people vote with their money, yet when people actually vote with their money to buy Apple products precisely for how they are built, we want to regulate the crap out of the company. It doesn’t make sense.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…

As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

Haven’t you always been able to resell and destroy the Apple products that you buy?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I wonder if they considered an "iPhone Europe Edition" - USB-C, side loading, physical SIM cards. Sounds like a good phone!

What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

My China iPhones don't even have any eSIM support. Instead we get a dual nano SIM card slot.

https://support.apple.com/en-hk/HT209086

Personally I'd love for eSIM to be there in ADDITION but not replacing the nano SIMs.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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So take five minutes to set up the parental controls on your children's devices. The idea that we should eliminate the ability to run arbitrary software "for the children" is completely ridiculous.

Then don’t buy an iPhone. I think it’s ridiculous that we are asking the government to save us from our own choices. As much as you and I don’t like it, what Apple is doing is perfectly legal. And as much as you or I might support a change in the law, you’re not going to get my support if the legislation is truly universal and not just a narrow-band targeting of a single company for developing an ecosystem which reso…

Sometimes our choices lead us to results that no one wanted. For a classical example, check out "tragedy of the commons". In those cases, you do want someone to enforce cooperation from outside, and this is what's happening to Apple now.

> what Apple is doing is perfectly legal

Not in the EU starting this summer!

Although I agree with the second point: game consoles being general purpose computers should be treated the same.

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I am looking forward! I tried side loading the YouTube with sponsorblock and adblock, which worked but renewing the apps weekly is too much effort.

YouTube Premium is a pretty good deal and actually pays the creators when you watch their videos.

Except a lot of it isn’t theirs to publish.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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iPhones been hacked for ages already.

Perhaps "has it ever been hacked" is not the best metric, unless you prefer to keep your devices under armed guard, encased in several meters of concrete, without an internet connection. IMO, https://zerodium.com/program.html is a good indication of "what would it cost to hack me using a never-before-seen exploit".

Still surprising to me that AWS has firecracker and iOS still runs things like Javascript along side every other app on the system.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Perhaps "has it ever been hacked" is not the best metric, unless you prefer to keep your devices under armed guard, encased in several meters of concrete, without an internet connection. IMO, https://zerodium.com/program.html is a good indication of "what would it cost to hack me using a never-before-seen exploit".

You wrongly assumed that zero days are single-use. Pegasus used the same exploits in dozens or hundreds of targets.

I didn't assume that at all - that's why I specified a never-before-seen vulnerability.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?

The migration process is, you ask your carrier for a new eSIM. They send you one via QR code. That's pretty much it.

> you ask your carrier for a new eSIM.

When your phone breaks, that's not a easy task.

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