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Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by justinclift »

baby wrote: post #239
andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

How much influence/impact does a CEO at such a large company have tho? Is it rly his fault?

In his case, it seems like "not enough".

Other CEO's though definitely have more impact in their respective companies.

Intel's recent re-invigoration once Pat Gelsinger took over seems like a reasonable example.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by that_guy_iain »

andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

> He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers.

He has? How did he do that? Literally, curious, first I've heard of it.

> Led Google to third place in cloud computing.

You don't need to be number 1 to make a profit.

> AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk.

I suspect you think google search is their core business. When it's ads.

Also, just because Microsoft is ahead just now doesn't mean they will be in the future. OpenAI I believe is only so far ahead because they take what others gave and didn't give back. This resulted in others to stop sharing. Since OpenAI is going to stop getting that boost from others, it could be that others start catching up with advancements they discover but don't share.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by that_guy_iain »

serverlessmania wrote: post #185
andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

Literally, nothing good, the chore of Google business is losing ground, Chrome losing more and more users in favor of Edge, Google search taking a hit since OpenAI and Microsoft partnered together to bring AI to search, serial acquisition and sunsetting of products, worse bureaucracy in the whole tech industry, and the list goes on!

Edge is basically chrome, no? They dominated so much that all other browsers are basically chrome. Our only other option is Firefox really.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by [deleted] »

rchaud wrote: post #247
ystad wrote: post #180

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Ballmer made bets on the windows phone, Zune, Bing (ads) etc in a bid to strengthen the moat around windows/Office. Most of these bets didn't pay, the strategy to build stuff to protect your core business does stymie company growth. I think Google has gotten itself into a similar position that Microsoft was in circa 2012.

How is Google in a Microsoft position? Ballmer made wasteful acquisitions like Skype and Nokia, and wasted 3 years trying to compete with the iOS by building 2 separate ARM operating system (Windows RT, Windows Phone) only to kill them both and revert focus to the x86 Surface line. Google hasn't done antything like that. Their product discontinuations have mostly been for niche applications.

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Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by justinclift »

DSingularity wrote: post #220
andrewstuart wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing he has done is not destroy the Google cash firehose. The advertising cash firehose is perhaps the only thing that matters at Google. But, having been severely caned by ChatGPT and left flat footed on AI i think it’s reasonable to say even that firehose is now at risk.

It’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT… the people who wrote the first ML training frameworks and the subsequent most popular one… the ones who designed hardware accelerators to minimize training and inference… the people with enough excess compute to probab…

Yet, here we are. ;)

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by mihaic »

capableweb wrote: post #77
mihaic wrote: post #39

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What if hiring them in the first place was the mistake? What are your options in that case?

CEO fucked up, get rid of him/her. Why'd you hire so many people if you don't need it? Sounds like C-suite made the wrong call, in that case.

But why not then fire both parties was my question?

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by autonomousErwin »

DSingularity wrote: post #220
andrewstuart wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing he has done is not destroy the Google cash firehose. The advertising cash firehose is perhaps the only thing that matters at Google. But, having been severely caned by ChatGPT and left flat footed on AI i think it’s reasonable to say even that firehose is now at risk.

It’s really funny to read this over and over from so many people. You are saying google can’t match and surpass chatGPT? You know, google the people who invented the model architecture used by ChatGPT… the people who wrote the first ML training frameworks and the subsequent most popular one… the ones who designed hardware accelerators to minimize training and inference… the people with enough excess compute to probab…

I've heard this countless times as well and I wonder if the root cause comes from Google's inability to turn its research into practical applications.

Case in point, 2017 Google Brain released the "Attention Is All You Need" paper however haven't done anything proactively to deliver it to mass users like OpenAI have done (among others) - perhaps this is the kick that Google needs to remind them that research alone isn't enough, it needs practical applications and the question could be whether Pichai is the right CEO to deliver that

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by chaostheory »

kubb wrote: post #245
chaostheory wrote: post #212

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Yes, having a counterpoint with a relevant data point that you missed is “weak” you are ignorant, making your argument weak and just plain wrong. Should people no longer point out when comments are really wrong? You’re also over generalizing while being completely incorrect ie making shit up

You didn't provide a "relevant data point". The base salary for an L3 (rank-and-file) SWE in the Bay Area (which is one of the highest paid areas in the US) is 140K on levels.fyi. You've compared this to the total comp which includes stock (that tanked recently), and a bonus (which isn't guaranteed). You're asserting that you're right and I have no idea what I'm talking about baselessly and being agressive and rude.…

In the article if you read it, most of Sundar’s criticized compensation came in the form of stock. Total comp is relevant. It might be down, but it’s still way more than 150k. It’s double or more

L3’s are newbies. They’re one step above interns. It’s easy to become an L4. L4 - L5 are rank and file.

You’re still really wrong and very ignorant on the subject.

As for being aggressive, I’m not the one over generalizing and calling the rank and file at Google spineless

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by justinclift »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #115
onos wrote: post #90

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226M / 50k ~ 4000 events a year. Poor fellow couldn’t pull that off.

Bold to assume anybody needs $226m a year to live.

I dunno. Big arse yachts tend to need staff and maintenance. :)

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by hammyhavoc »

sysstemlord wrote: post #235
hammyhavoc wrote: post #110

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Who is "we" in your comment?

We the guys discussing whether he has or hasn't done something worth hundreds of millions, you don't have to be so word picky.

I'm not picky, I asked an honest question.

I'd argue that most human beings never do anything worth even a million dollars, let alone hundreds of millions, especially execs.

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