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Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

For sim swap issue, create a cloud password.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

#62
post #12

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WeChat is garbage. The only reason it gained prominence is because (better) alternatives are banned or blocked, causing spillover network effect to Chinese outside of China.

Why do you say it’s garbage?

Because it's a walled garden. Imagine a Facebook that is strictly real name only, without a web version, and consumes ~50GiB on device typically.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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I wonder why your account is attacked by spam so often. Conversely, I've never had any account get so little spam as my Telegram account. My email gets literally dozens of spam mails per day. Telegram, I'd say less than once per month. Exactly yesterday I thought that I got a spam message, it turns out that the sender is a SpaceX fan and a real interesting human, not the crypto-pushing bot that I had suspected at fir…

> Conversely, I've never had any account get so little spam as my Telegram account. I don't get that much spam in Telegram either, but this must be an exaggeration. My WhatsApp and Signal accounts get completely zero spam.

I don't have a Whatsapp account. But I agree about Signal, I cannot recall ever seeing spam there.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

#64

The first thing you realise when you start playing with LLMs and want to build a product around it is that you might not need a UI anymore but a text interface might be at the same time easier to build and much more intuitive. In this case the messengers have a big opportunity to become the next big platform. Telegram seems to be the one with the best apis. This shift might even make it possible to create a new messe…

This was my immediate thought when they released chatgpt plugins. They had this little demo where it generated a recipe, pulled the calories from wolfram alpha and then generated a one click to order link for doordash. It's no stretch of the imagination that this will replace many, if not most app ui's. For the time being there's still some programs that are much better off with a dedicated interface, but the future…

Will natural language be a predominate form of interface in the near future? Absolutely yes. But will it replace majority of interface? I am doubtful.

The reason for my doubt is that if you look around yourself; you will see a variety of amazing human computer and human machine interfaces, because no single interface has been universally suitable and more importantly the most or even reasonably efficient for all use cases. There is little reason to believe human language is an exception.

Switches, buttons, knobs, joysticks, motion sensors, and an array of other interfaces will persist until brain-computer interface is ubiquitous.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

#65

Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

Telegram is not less secure, this is misinformation. Telegram is less secure by default; it has a worse UX for secure messaging, as a deliberate choice to improve default UX for new users.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Would love to see this platform opened up. I've been recommended by users, but telegram always demands an app install for account creation. App install + mobile number as a login/username is a deal breaker for me. Horrible experience trying to explain why this isn't a sane security model to users.

Matrix is an open protocol with real encryption. You can bridge telegram to it. It's all open source though, so don't expect an experience as polished as telegram.

Telegram’s clients are also open source

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

Recently, in practice you need to use a second factor (Telegram originally only used one factor, your phone number, which was verified by sending a message or calling it.)

Someone added two clients while I was asleep around new year.

I kicked them out and threw in a password and they tried again (unsuccessfully :) next night.

Meanwhile, way bigger leaks has happened from WhatsApp over the years.

If security is important to you, use something that is made for security, like Signal or Matrix, not "good enough call it secure" like Telegram or "how much data can we get away with stealing" like any Meta product.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

#68

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This was my immediate thought when they released chatgpt plugins. They had this little demo where it generated a recipe, pulled the calories from wolfram alpha and then generated a one click to order link for doordash. It's no stretch of the imagination that this will replace many, if not most app ui's. For the time being there's still some programs that are much better off with a dedicated interface, but the future…

> Messenger apps like telegram do have an opportunity here, but I think the most likely way for this to play out is that apple and google will eventually make their assistants the front and center way of interacting with your phone Wasn't the Allo app supposed to do that?

Made by Google the company who threw away an existing social network (Reader) to build a social network (Google+) that they threw away as soon as many enough had figured it out and started loving it.

(I'm still looking for a replacement for Google+.)

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was my immediate thought when they released chatgpt plugins. They had this little demo where it generated a recipe, pulled the calories from wolfram alpha and then generated a one click to order link for doordash. It's no stretch of the imagination that this will replace many, if not most app ui's. For the time being there's still some programs that are much better off with a dedicated interface, but the future…

Will natural language be a predominate form of interface in the near future? Absolutely yes. But will it replace majority of interface? I am doubtful. The reason for my doubt is that if you look around yourself; you will see a variety of amazing human computer and human machine interfaces, because no single interface has been universally suitable and more importantly the most or even reasonably efficient for all use…

This is sort of a "what's a computer" question. I find that for a number of specialized digital interfaces, I don't want natural language. I don't want to stand there and talk to my microwave, I just want to punch in the number. I'd say about half the time I sit down at my TV I don't know what I want to watch, I want to scroll through some options. It feels like the more specialized the purpose, the less likely I am to want to talk to it.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

#70
post #65

Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

Telegram is not less secure, this is misinformation. Telegram is less secure by default ; it has a worse UX for secure messaging, as a deliberate choice to improve default UX for new users.

IMO if your app is less secure than your competition by default, the app is less secure, period.

Telegram is said to have been given authorities access to user data [1], despite the fact that they advertise the opposite. I guess that’s what happens when your app is not encrypted E2E by default.

Also, they have used their own encryption algorithm in the past (I don’t know now) instead of the well known and proven algorithms out there. Something highly criticized by experts, back then [2]

-[1] https://www.androidpolice.com/telegram-germany-user-data-sur... -[2] https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177

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