Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

Post by jna_sh » Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 11:11 AM UTC

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Relax, no one is really considering meat foods to go away in the next 100 years or so. It's all about the access to the vegetarian and vegan foods to those who want it, and it happens to become more popular, so market adapts. But you present it like someone tries to take your food.

We’re only a few disasters away from the government deciding that the climate crisis requires drastic measures, including a severe rationing of meat and other products considered harmful to the environment. It’s clear from the rhetoric that this is the direction we are moving in, and it’s also clear that a great percentage of the population will comply and even celebrate such restrictions.

Post by Eduard » Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 11:16 AM UTC

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If you don’t buy them from very traditional read very expensive producers it is also very unnatural. Animals are simply used as self replacing bio reactors that are fed the cheapest inputs like grain and animal remains. Even the vitamin d in milk is mostly there because you just supplement the animals. I visit a small farm on vacation a few times a year and they have a bunch of chicken running around. I have no qualm…

In many parts of Europe buying from the traditional local style of producer is the cheaper way to buy animal products. Supermarket meats often contain a fair bit of water weight IME.

Post by switch007 » Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 11:25 AM UTC

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cracrecry wrote: post #70

Correlation is not causation. As a European myself here is another correlation that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that people in Europe are not buying as much high quality food: After the politicians printed so much money in order to pay for COVID costs, general inflation has accumulated to 18% or so, split in two years of 8-9%. Basic food after Ukraine disruption of cereal and oils and increment in ene…

> Correlation is not causation. As a European myself here is another correlation that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that people in Europe are not buying as much high quality food […] After the politicians printed so much money in order to pay for COVID costs, general inflation has accumulated to 18% or so, split in two years of 8-9%. It's a nice theory and it would be very believable, if the trend to ea…

Post by jiggywiggy » Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 11:25 AM UTC

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Data is sort of wildcard argument. Doesn't has any value if you don't point to specific. Cashew cheese really is not better for the planet the local organic milk cheese. In north of Holland there huge patches of land only cow can grace the land and nothing else grows, and there is an abundance of the water. Yet everyone complains about milk and meat taking too much wayer, and that growing plants would be more efficie…

Sure, but buying a locally raised cow that is fed on local farmland is a lot better for the environment than steak from Argentina most of the time. The data around that is pretty solid. I don't think cashew cheese grows in nature, i would never consider it vegetables and I am not advocating for processed foods. Merely stating that cutting down on how much meat you eat and eating more veg is better for your health and…

Post by Reason077 » Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 11:29 AM UTC

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Vegetables you can buy at the supermarket are absolutely atrocious. Every time I go home to my parents' and have home-grown tomatoes I cry.

Yup, the tomatoes available to me (UK) in supermarkets have zero flavour. I just buy them out of habit. They look great but they’re crap.