Milk was one of the hardest things for me to replace, but a few years ago a brand of pea-based milk replacement was released that acts as an excellent substitute for me (for cooking and in coffee). Now, the last thing I'm missing is eggs and to a smaller extent cheese. There _are_ some decent cheese replacements out there, but none quite perfect, and I haven't found anything even close with eggs. But seeing these things only get better over the years, at a pretty rapid pace, makes me confident that they're coming.
Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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#22Anecdotally I would say that oat based milk is taking over the world (probably because it is sweeter). But it feels to me like Veganism and Vegetarianism are still quite niche.
Interestingly, I don't like most oat milks because they're so sweet.
I also learned that while they almost always say they're unsweetened, that's kinda... not wrong, but misleading, as most oat milks use a production process that creates sugar.
There are no-sugar or almost-no-sugar oat milks that don't do this, but they're rare.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#23I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…
"the difficult conversation we need to be having would be about proteins and how to produce them sustainabily and ethically. This plant based vegan alternatives hide from the real problem, I think"
Huh? I thought the real problem are the vast ressources milk production needs and the cruel need to seperate the cow babies from their mothers so they produce more milk. And not even speaking about the meat production facalities.
Oatmilk on the other hand grows fast and does not require misstreating babies, so what is the real problem?
(apart from the fact, that many people, including me, also like milk and meat, despite alternatives?)
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#24Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…
Just B12 and sometimes D3 and omega (I'm really bad at remembering it). I eat enough tofu to get all the iron I need as a man :)
Recently I've been tracking proteins more closely but reaching recommended levels has never been an issue.
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#25I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…
It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised with hormones etc. It's almost like you have a bias against the vegan alternative.. Edit: ok so I was not terribly constructive with this comment, so happy to elaborate. I'm pretty tired of this argument against vegan meat. The nutritional values of vegan meat…
Or maybe it's ok to worry about one bad thing without having to worry about all bad things.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe not with you. But in most modern cities they are actively campaigning against meat, they are mostly using the moral card: you are destroying the planet. How fun.
It isn't a 0 or 1, prob good for you health wise and for the planet to eat a little less meat and a bit more veg. Just look at the data out there. This last year I am really decreasing how much meat I eat (ill never give it up although I am excited about ground cricket meat and trying that). I am doing it for my health, costs, and because its good for the planet long term.
Data is sort of wildcard argument. Doesn't has any value if you don't point to specific.
Cashew cheese really is not better for the planet the local organic milk cheese.
In north of Holland there huge patches of land only cow can grace the land and nothing else grows, and there is an abundance of the water. Yet everyone complains about milk and meat taking too much wayer, and that growing plants would be more efficient.
It all depends, you cant just say "data".
Same with health. You really can't claim fried soya or pea protein is healthier then ground beef from a cow that spends his summers outside.
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#27I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…
It's funny you are worried about the impact of vegan alternatives and not, say, sugars, alcohol, overly fatty or salty foods, too much bad quality meat raised with hormones etc. It's almost like you have a bias against the vegan alternative.. Edit: ok so I was not terribly constructive with this comment, so happy to elaborate. I'm pretty tired of this argument against vegan meat. The nutritional values of vegan meat…
Don't assume things about people.
He is probably also concerned about those things and many other things, like climate change, the Ukrainian War, the Sudanese Civil War, AI... you don't have to mention every little thing you are concerned about in each post.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Relax, no one is really considering meat foods to go away in the next 100 years or so. It's all about the access to the vegetarian and vegan foods to those who want it, and it happens to become more popular, so market adapts. But you present it like someone tries to take your food.
Maybe not with you. But in most modern cities they are actively campaigning against meat, they are mostly using the moral card: you are destroying the planet. How fun.
what destroys the planet is not meat or non-meat. Its mass production of [insert food here]. I have fun listening the vegan arguments until they are shown how their over-consumption of avocados or soy-based foods has devastating or exploiting effects on ecosystems and people.
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#29Weird anecdote, in my circle, everyone hates vegan “meat” yet everybody is also reducing meat consumption.
I’m in the same boat when it comes to meat (real or fake), but I’m not even thinking about giving up milk or dairy products, they’re one of the things I still value when it comes to food.
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#30I am getting a bit deeper into the food industry since I started investing in a startup that plans to produce animal feed with insects. Animal feeds are prepared with specific properties, for instance, fish feed at 60% protein. The impact of different percentages of compounds is measured closely on animal well being, growth, weight… I am quite bothered that we don’t do the same for human foods. We lighlty compare rea…
We've also been aggressively selecting traits in animals, grains, vegetables and fruits at an accelerating pace.
I'm worried that modern carrots are lacking in nutrition due to being heavily selected for size and colour.