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> We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one. What does "gravity alone" mean here? Hawking radiation depends on a black hole that has energy to radiate. The radiation is not due to "gravity alone".
Hawking Radiation didn't depend on gravity either, it depends on an event horizon. Any phenomenon which would separate virtual particle pairs would produce it - i.e. the edge of the observable universe would do it too.
Physicists discover that gravity can create light
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> We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one To be pedantic, we don't know this. Hawking radiation has never been observed.
to be even more pedantic, hawking radiation isn't exactly created by gravity
Related, I posted a paper on William Sidis earlier today where he explored the idea of a black hole before they were theorized or discovered: https://www.sidis.net/animate.pdf
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#64The title is about gravity, but the first line is about wave of gravity. Hmm. We know that gravity alone can create radiation - the Hawking one. We also know that gravitational waves - the spacetime curvature changes with time - carry energy, so can be transformed into light. Do we still know if spacetime alone can create light?.. I'm not sure we know it today. So... we have a great experiment here, which shows somet…
If gravity would quantize into photons, that would have very weird implications for the standard model. It would threaten to equate gravity with the electromagnetic force, and mass with charge.
https://skullsinthestars.com/2009/03/06/michael-faraday-gran...
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furthermore, so far in universe (after big bang), nothing is really created, only transformed.
and (depending how time actually works) transformed also may be wrong, rather, everything simply is and time is our hallucination of reality
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furthermore, so far in universe (after big bang), nothing is really created, only transformed.
Dark energy is adding energy to the universe (mechanism unknown).
If anything seems like due to dark energy total energy dissipation per area is increasing until death of universe.
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#67Thought LIGO can detect these waves? https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
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> Isn't gravity just a fundamental force? Not really. Gravity is most accurately described by the general theory of relativity... which describes gravity not as a force, but as the curvature of spacetime, caused by the uneven distribution of mass, and causing masses to move along geodesic lines.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
You have to remember that General Relativity is wrong. We don't know exactly how it's wrong, but it's wrong. In light of that fact, it's not really a proper answer to say that "General Relativity says it isn't so it isn't." It is true that GR says gravity isn't a force, but the implication doesn't follow. We don't know whether a Grand Unified Theory would have gravity as a force or not. Given that a great deal of the…
> In QM ... gravity doesn't exist
The Standard Model of Particle Physics, a particular relativistic quantum field theory, is Lorentz-covariant by design (and with good reason; Lorentz symmetry is a highly-tested feature of our universe). General Relativity as a physical theory of our universe is defined on a Lorentzian spacetime. Where the radius of curvature is larger than the Compton wavelengths involved, adapting the flat-spacetime Standard Model to curved spacetime is straightforward textbook stuff. (Wald 1995 ISBN 0-226-87025-1; Birrell & Davies 1982 ISBN 0-521-23385-2 and several others).
For smaller radiuses of curvature, of if the semiclassical approach is unsuitable because of nontrivial superpositions, one can take a second-quantization approach ("CQG", very definitely a QM theory in which gravity "exists" as a quantum field with potentials and dynamics, and which admits the correspondence principle) or https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/lectures/erice02.pd...> both of which match General Relativity as effective theories (the characteristic energy cutoffs are usefully large and/or the characteristic cut-off lengths are transplanckian) are verified to high precision in manifestly relativistic systems (e.g. triple PSR J0337+1715). Are these "wrong"? Prove it. You'll likely need to look into a region of strong gravity, and for that you have to deal with a cosmic censorship conjecture.
> General Relativity is wrong.
Prove it?
I'm with Clifford Will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Martin_Will> on this; penultimate paragraph of his 2020 book with Nicolas Yunes ISBN 9870198842125, https://global.oup.com/academic/product/is-einstein-still-ri...>: "It would not surprise me if the solution to the universal acceleration turned out to be simply Einstein's original cosmological constant, a constant of nature like Planck's constant or Newton's constant of gravitation ... And it would not surprise me if general relativity turned out to be absolutely correct according to any future experiment accessible to humankind." The authors' following paragraph is a challenge to you which is not met by your bold assertion at the top of your comment.
General Relativity may be wrong, but that is not proven. Will would be happy to be surprised by it being proven wrong experimentally. (A huge amount of his research has been aimed at what exactly it means for General Relativity to be wrong).
What I would agree with is that we do not know at present how to avoid divergences of the curvature scalars in the limit of strong gravity, and that this means we can't always fully solve a whole spacetime from initial values. But we also don't have any idea how to test whether that actually happens in our universe (that such divergences occur in stellar remnants or at the centres of galaxies is untested hypothesis) so GR is a perfectly sound, mathematically complete effective field theory at the very least. And moreover the answer may come from new physics in the matter sector, rather than new gravitational physics. What does the Standard Model say about particle energies above YeV? Discovering more about the mechanisms that generate the stress-energy tensor is not the same task as changing the theory of General Relativity.
Meanwhile, there are hundreds of pages in Will & Yunes's excellent book which explain to lay readers the match between GR and observation and experiment, and a wide body of specialist literature on a century's worth of experimental and observational tests of General Relativity, every single one of which has supported the theory or was inconclusive.
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#69Thought LIGO can detect these waves? https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
Bb --- Earth --- molecular cloud --- B'b'
where Bb and B'b' are very similar (from the molecular cloud's perspective) inspiralling binary black hole pairs, and Earth is where LIGO (and Virgo and other detectors) are, then we will see characteristic bright flashes from within the molecular cloud and a change in the B'b' detected waveform because it will have lost some energy to the production of the flashes of light.
(The light flash will trail behind the dampened B'b' waveform detection because this hypothesized mechanism only works when a refractive medium slows light from c (its speed in vacuum) but does not slow gravitational waves from c. Although the authors do not touch on the matter, I suspect that we would also be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_echo>s.)
The paper focuses on an analysis of water as the dominant molecule. There are known astrophysical water megamasers (see second paragraph at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megamaser>), so this is far from ridiculous.
Trying to match detected flashes of light (including gamma rays) and neutrinos with gravitational wave detections is part of multimessenger astronomy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-messenger_astronomy>.
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Not a physicist, but how do you get something to bend without a force exerted upon it?
The cool thing about gravity is that it doesn't bend anything it just alters space so that straight things are bent.