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Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by HDThoreaun »

noelsusman wrote: post #32

I find myself consistently disappointed when reading blog posts like this. I generally agree with the principles that the EFF advocates for, but it's hard to see this post as anything other than rage-bait. I can't trust it to be an accurate source of information on what this bill actually does. For example, I've repeatedly seen claims that this bill would effectively outlaw end-to-end encryption, but the bill explici…

Rage bait is by far the EFFs most powerful tool. Of course they're going to reach for it first.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

wudangmonk wrote: post #14

They need to pass a 'public official' bill that ties any and all public official records to whatever is expected of the general population, no exceptions. This is the only true way to stop these type of bills.

Not just public records. Public officials should be on Medicare. Their retirement should be Social Security. Their staff should be subject to the same employment rules that apply to everyone else. And so on.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by kelseyfrog »

jdminhbg wrote: post #68
anigbrowl wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because she's not a Republican, and competitive primaries for long-time incumbents are often political suicide for the challenger. Voters have a poor set of choices and select the least bad.

California uses "jungle primaries" where the top two vote getters regardless of party advance to the general election. You can't blame the two-party system here, voters could easily choose another Democrat if that's what they wanted.

Yep, and in this case, it's isomorphic to the question, "Why didn't Kevin De Leon(D) defeat DiFi in the 2018 election?" - question whose answers can range from, "not enough votes," to "less money," to "why did the CA coast prefer DiFi and CA's interior prefer KDL?"

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by hammyhavoc »

duxup wrote: post #24
notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

I donate to the EFF, is that enough, I don’t know but I feel like I’m doing something.

Well, what quantifiable benefit is the public gaining from the EFF? Do you know where your money goes? Does what they publish reach anybody new? Or is it just preaching to the choir?

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by JPws_Prntr_Fngr »

whitemary wrote: post #20
notRobot wrote: post #3

I'm so tired. I wish we didn't have to keep going through constant attacks on our privacy. I know they're hoping that people will give up after a point out of weariness, and I'm afraid when it comes to many people they're right.

This is why the Chinese pity western "democracy," and it's quite easy to see where they're coming from. Of course, it's well established that the US is merely an oligarchy with a massive domestic propaganda operation.

Upvoted because the first sentence might be true, and the second one definitely is.

I would say that the US and China are both fantastic examples of why you don't want to allow the construction of a surveillance infrastructure - privatized and public, respectively. We pity each other partially thanks to the propaganda - but I think more importantly because we really are pitiable.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by pksebben »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #79
jcutrell wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people who say they have nothing to hide, I ask them why they have locks on their doors, passwords to their email, and clothes on their body.

Well, clothes are mostly down to weather and laws on public decency, and nudists are the counterpoint that prove some demographics would prefer to be naked if the law allowed it, same with tribes like Koma. Locks are more for security than privacy, and it's important not to conflate the two. People can have nothing to hide, but also not want to be robbed. And as for email, that's again a matter of security because th…

In an information environment, security and privacy are the same thing. The terms may have different connotations culturally, but good security-in-depth is the same set of practices that enable digital privacy, because the objective is the same: prevent leakage of facts.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #79
jcutrell wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people who say they have nothing to hide, I ask them why they have locks on their doors, passwords to their email, and clothes on their body.

Well, clothes are mostly down to weather and laws on public decency, and nudists are the counterpoint that prove some demographics would prefer to be naked if the law allowed it, same with tribes like Koma. Locks are more for security than privacy, and it's important not to conflate the two. People can have nothing to hide, but also not want to be robbed. And as for email, that's again a matter of security because th…

> as for email [passwords], that's again a matter of security

I guess if we're nitpicking I'll point out that this is still privacy (how one keeps their password) for the sake of security. Information is kept private and passwords are information.

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

coldpie wrote: post #36
dehrmann wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FEINSTEIN Many years ago, I remember she supported a similar bill around limiting encryption. Around six months later, it was reported some government agency was spying on senators' emails, and she wasn't happy. I don't think she made the connection between the two, or that she supports widespread data collection when it's not her data.

Her brain is pea soup. I'm pretty sure she is not capable of connecting things.

She has been on medical leave since February, which makes me wonder in what capacity she co-sponsored this bill... can she do that from her nursing home?

Re: The EARN IT bill is back, seeking to scan our messages and photos

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Post by x86x87 »

SimianSci wrote: post #74
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #16

4th amendment text: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Let’s name names, the senators who introduced this are Mr. GRAHAM…

It's important to point out that many of these senators are also members of the Intelligence committee and are receiving regular reports from intelligence agencies as part of their senatorial duties. It is logical to think that these agencies are using these briefings to lobby senators for changes that directly impact their performance. It's highly unlikely this comes from a place of malice, but rather is a second or…

Hahahahaha

Of course. Of course Cruz and Hawley are actually angels that are a victim of circumstances. Collins? Fucking immaculate.

I don't know how many times we have to "fight back" when they come uo with this BS. They should just cut it out and serve the people that elected them.

PS: Mandatory "Think about the children!"

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