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Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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Isn’t being friends with your neighbors a far more obvious answer to this? I thought that’s where this was going. > Sometime during the pandemic lockdowns, I began to nurture a fantasy,” Adrienne Matei writes. “What if I were neighbors with all of my friends? Every day, as I took long walks through North Vancouver that were still nowhere near long enough to land me at a single pal’s doorstep, I would reflect on the p…

For what it's worth, as the rare suburbanite HNer, I fondly recall my family having the same sort of relationships with neighbors in the late 80's and 90's; unfortunately the same just doesn't seem to happen even in socioeconomically comparable suburbs today. Even just attempts to strike up small talk with a neighbor when we both happen to be outside at the same time are usually rebuffed, and the idea that anyone wou…

I'm also in the suburbs. A couple of thoughts there:

HOA's are far more common than they were in the 80's/90's (Google says they went from ~20% of homes in 1990ish to ~50% now). It really changes the risk/reward of friendship when your neighbors can arbitrarily force you to spend a whole weekend doing something dumb to please the HOA. It has happened, and I'd rather not repeat it.

The explosion of culture the internet brought on has also fragmented us. Shared interests are fairly uncommon because everyone is watching something different on Netflix, doing different hobbies because they can, etc. That's not totally a bad thing, but it does tend to make smalltalk bland.

Income inequality has also changed demographics. My neighbors are substantially older than me. There aren't even that many children in the neighborhood, a lot of them are retirees that presumably bought when the neighborhood was cheaper. Again, not totally a bad thing, but it means we don't even share nostalgia.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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Earlier in the 20th century, there was a lot of interest in promoting community while integrating with automotive transportation. Here are a few interesting things to read on the topic of community design that promotes social interaction and cohesion: The Making of Columbia, MD and Reston, VA ( https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/econ_focus... ) Jane Jacob’s on the importance of neighborhoods ( https://…

I lived in Columbia, MD from 2010 to 2018 and from 2021 to present and I can state with confidence that our design does help to alleviate some of these issues.

I wish our model would have caught on. We do a lot of things right here.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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Yeah, totally safe walking drunk in Baltimore at night...

When I was younger and went out drinking more often, I walked home from bars in Baltimore all the time. What the stats leave out is that (not getting into the deep politics of redlining and gentrification) the vast majority of violent crime just doesn't involve the pub districts and less neglected residential areas. Yes, people will get mugged in the "nicer" neighborhoods once in a while. It's not something to discou…

Yeah, I maintained https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com for a while. Sad but true, there are one or two high profile murders in Fells Point per year, but if you're white or Asian, you are very unlikely to be murdered. It's almost all African Americans in the butterfly. I mean, it's a goddamn tragedy. You can see parts of Cherry Hill where every single block has a victim on it. Just heartbreaking stuff. But for me living in my neighborhood, murder is basically not a factor. Obviously any city you'll have to worry about muggings, but that's city life.

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heh no, America was taught by Hollywood to be afraid of Baltimore (The Wire)

All major cities have areas and neighborhoods that are higher risk and not “safe”. You wouldn’t let your kid there, your partner or yourself go there typically. I lived in North Philadelphia throughout college and a couple years after. It isn’t a lie to say you are operating at a different level of vigilance. Your behaviors change. So no, Hollywood didn’t tell me anything about North Philly, my experience did. It’s q…

> Is that even Baltimore then? Or a bubble within Baltimore?

If it's in Baltimore, then yes, it's in Baltimore. Why wouldn't it count? If a foreigner says, "America is unsafe" and you say, "Well, my suburb is safe," can they say, "Oh, that's not America"?

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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I think cars was the single most stupid "evolution" for humanity. And when maybe we had an out (prioritizing public transports, because fossil fuel is running out), then what... ELECTRIC CARS FOR EVERYONE. Cars take up so much money and space and energy... And the time that you should gain thanks to your car is just lost in transportation time, because now you can (and have to) live farther from work / friends / fami…

Conversely, cars made it possible to: - Live outside of dense urban environments while still working in one - Travel to visit friends and family not living down the street - Not be dependent on shaky public transport infrastructure (US) - Travel where public transport isn't available Everyone owning a car might not be the most efficient or pleasant solution, but certainly there are more productive attitudes to have t…

You just can't imagine how dense and efficient the public transport network could be if humanity didn't invest trillions over trillions of dollars into cars and car infrastructure.

Cars are bad and I hate cars because they're the worst idea humanity ever had.

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But there's also the sprinklers that go off every minute to keep the grass looking healthy so no one can sit on it. Or the grass is part of the baseball field. Plenty of good parks in the US for hanging out but wayyy more bad ones where just socializing seems like an afterthought, or not a thought at all.

Nah there's still plenty of "An area that's mostly nature and you can just walk through and enjoy it" but the vast majority of them were set up a hundred years ago so the reality is that most of them aren't even remotely close to population centers anymore. This means if you want to walk in a park, first you must drive there. Also in many places, staying past sundown is not allowed, as in the cops drive in (like they…

Yeah obviously the US is huge and there’s plenty of nature to be found, but somehow we’ve just forgotten to integrate that into our communities and walkable areas completely.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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I don't understand why people like to bath in drama like this. Yes, there are statistics... But, to be a bit cynic, you can spend your whole life being afraid of everything. But you can not spend the rest of your death being sorry about the decision that led to your demise. IOW, I'd much rather have a burden-free life where I might be a little unlucky and die before I reach the average lifespan... Instead of being ca…

> I don't understand why people like to bath in drama like this. Yes, there are statistics... But, to be a bit cynic, you can spend your whole life being afraid of everything. Or you can spend your life in a safe, normal, environment, not just a crime ridden place, where crime of course doesn't end with homicides (those are the tip of the iceberg). You know, so that you can have kids playing outside, cops not shootin…

Go to https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2022. Only 10 white people and 1 Asian were murdered in Baltimore last year. 210 African Americans were. It sucks, and it’s unacceptable socially and politically, but in terms of my own personal safety, it would be absurd for me to fear being murdered more than I fear getting hit by a car or whatever else.

That’s not to say I’m totally disconnected from it. I know I’m one degree from someone who was murdered, and I’m sure if I knew all the two degree separations, it would be staggering, but again, in terms of my life, I don’t do drugs and I don’t live in a neighborhood with gang shootings, so I’ll be fine.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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I was presented with the option to endure a unpromising job for 8+hr a day but be around great friends (hometown), or move to a completely unknown city for a better job but not be around friends. it wasn't an easy choice, but I considered the # of hours of suffering vs joy in either scenario, i went with moving for the job. pandemic and having kids really makes me reconsider whether i made the right choice.

when I first moved out of my home town and was single, there would be stretches of days without seeing a smiling face or having a live conversation, but I have somehow gotten used to that - until a visited home when I saw my buddies smile it suddenly reminded me how sad my life was in the new city. but when I live close by to my friends, we wouldn't get together often neither, despite the intense trust we have with each other.

i think the alienation/loneliness is the result of being exposed to so much information; minute differences in a persons ability to absorb information (thus pick up new values/hobbies/interests) used to result in very little practical change in someone's day to day life. nowadays, time i spend with old friends (in whom i still place the greatest trust and care) often consist of reminiscing about the past. if I want to talk about new interest or hobbies of mine, I have to find new friends.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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post #553

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All major cities have areas and neighborhoods that are higher risk and not “safe”. You wouldn’t let your kid there, your partner or yourself go there typically. I lived in North Philadelphia throughout college and a couple years after. It isn’t a lie to say you are operating at a different level of vigilance. Your behaviors change. So no, Hollywood didn’t tell me anything about North Philly, my experience did. It’s q…

> Is that even Baltimore then? Or a bubble within Baltimore? If it's in Baltimore, then yes, it's in Baltimore. Why wouldn't it count? If a foreigner says, "America is unsafe" and you say, "Well, my suburb is safe," can they say, "Oh, that's not America"?

Those unsafe places are also America. I don't think anyone is arguing that there aren't some places in the US that are safe, but that on the whole, it's a lot more dangerous than Europe. The fact that some Americans have the means to shield themselves from it while others don't just emphasises the inequality.

My biggest problem, though, is the fact that schools are unsafe. The fact that schools need to practice shooter drills is heartbreaking.

Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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> insane density-averse zoning policy Hell is other people. I way prefer to live in low density areas and I do. If I can see my neighbours house, that's too close (my neighbours are actually wonderful). I live on the edge of a suburb with a goal to push out further into the rural areas. Where I'm trying to get to is a more commune style property where those that are closest to us can come and stay or live, with share…

> You can go and live in high density areas with all the potential zombies if you want, but don't make me do that please. The situation is currently reversed in much of the USA. Building dense housing is forbidden by regulation. People like you have forced your preference on everyone else.

I didn't vote for that. I just wanna live and let live.
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