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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by rafark »

overthrow wrote: post #150
chongli wrote: post #123

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Windows is the foundation of their Enterprise Services, Server Products & Cloud Services, and Office Products & Services, which together (including Windows) comprise 73% of their revenue. If Windows disappeared off the face of the Earth, all of that other revenue would go with it.

https://react-etc.net/entry/microsoft-office-rewrite-to-reac... > Microsoft Office rewrite in React.js nears completion Seems like even Microsoft is hedging their bets when it comes to Windows.

Interesting that people were mocking “scripting” languages when you have revolutionary stuff like openAi being developed in python.

I don’t, however, love Electron. I’ve built a couple apps myself with it, it’s just that the DOM is too slow.

If someone manages to create an engine that could remove the lag that you get when rendering and manipulating large amounts of HTML that would be fantastic. But right now it’s a subpar experience when compared to native apps.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by Quiark »

izacus wrote: post #61
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

It's obvious what are they thinking: "This gives us conversions, this gives us money, what are you gonna do, pay 3000$ for a Mac?"

Well, that's what I did.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by rafark »

rimunroe wrote: post #252
hollandheese wrote: post #165

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Fonts have looked better in Linux than Windows for over 15 years now.

I wish I could find a screenshot of it, but I believe the default Arabic font in Ubuntu ~10 years ago was pretty horrendous, whereas Windows had a much more reasonable one.

It’s not the font per se. It’s the rendering engine.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by bodge5000 »

snvzz wrote: post #403
Zak wrote: post #397

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Arch Linux is a great choice for someone who wants to know Linux . I am writing this comment from Arch Linux. Arch Linux is not a great choice for someone who just wants to use Linux. There's a lot of learning just to install it, while less expert-oriented distributions can have a system up and running in 20 minutes with very little expertise on the part of the user.

Serious question here: Why would someone NOT want to know Linux? When ignoring the short term, what's the advantage, if any, of using a system without mastering it?

For the record I don't use Arch, I use Fedora, but I know Linux reasonably well. That being said, I would greatly enjoy the chance to learn it better.

I also want to learn Rust, Zig, Nim, D, Go, GLSL, Lobster looks interesting, some game frameworks (Bevy, Monogame, Raylib and Pyglet come to mind), Supercollider, Flutter, LLM's, Ruby on Rails, and a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember.

Learning linux simply has to wait its line in the queue, and unless I happen to master it naturally using Fedora, with that queue ever growing, I'm not sure its time will ever come. Maybe, but then I want to say that for all the above too.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by jaimex2 »

spicyusername wrote: post #10

The only reason I use Windows in 2023 is for video gaming. Every other non-gaming PC I own is running Linux. Windows has become inferior to Linux in every other way. More upgrade headaches, worse resource utilization, worse desktop environment, more crashes, data collection, and now embedded ads. These technology companies have really demonstrated over the past few decades that they are unable to maintain reliable pr…

Gaming on Linux is really good these days.

Install Heroic Launcher and Steam and you're basically in a better place than most Windows users. Proton rarely struggles with anything.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by rendaw »

dotty- wrote: post #134
irrational wrote: post #119

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Apple has a similar problem. On setup it wants me to set up siri, payment, etc. My options are to setup now or do it later. There needs to be a third option that I will never setup these things and never ask me again.

I don't think Apple recurringly hounds you to sign in when you hit "Do it later" though. I read "Do it later" here as a subtle reminder that "the option is not gone. You can do it later on your own in your system settings if you want", as opposed to "ok we'll ask you again later unprompted :)"

I have an iPad I use for reading books (1 app). Every time I wake it up on I have to click through 4 login promts (that interrupt each other, so I have to watch the animation of them appearing and disappearing twice).

Maybe the desktop doesn't do this _yet_?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by jaimex2 »

Switch to Kubuntu for a really great Linux experience. Plasma Desktop is fantastic.

Gaming? Install Heroid Launcher and Steam - you'll have a better experience than on Windows.

Wine is crazy good these days as well for all the other corpo crapware we all rely on.

Enjoy not having to reboot daily for stupid updates.

The more people switching means MS will have to get their act together and Linux will get better support from big companies. Win win.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by mshroyer »

alistairSH wrote: post #29
Marsymars wrote: post #20

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In my day-to-day usage, ads in the core user interface in iOS are worse than in Windows. Windows ads can be disabled pretty easily. iOS App Store ads cannot be disabled at all and are often for utter trash. The Microsoft Store is entirely optional, and app installs/updates can be entirely handled via winget/chocolatey (or installs in some other form). The iOS App Store cannot be avoided for installing apps or for man…

...ads in the core user interface in iOS... Where are you seeing ads in the main UI? I occasionally see a small ad near the top of "Settings", usually for an Apple service. I don't recall ads on the home page or lock screen, or in the main Apple apps I use (Camera, Photos, Files, Health, Fitness, Watch).

Well on my work Mac I'm not signed into iCloud, and there's a permanent red notification dot, just as prominent as if I had an important system update waiting, begging me to create an account.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by snvzz »

Tommstein wrote: post #416
theodric wrote: post #351

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Install Arch, get everything working, and DO NOT install updates. I've never had another distro that would randomly render itself unbootable or break core functionality with such frequency with the simple weekly application of updates. Really distressing.

lolwut. My current Arch install has been going strong for over 12 years, and it has very rarely broken, and when it has, very often it's because I went a long time without updating, and/or the issue and fix are mentioned right on the front page of archlinux.org. Gentoo, on the other hand, is (or was when I used it) as you describe, where every other update would randomly break the system and they would tell you on IR…

>Gentoo, on the other hand, is (or was when I used it) as you describe, where every other update would randomly break the system and they would tell you on IRC "don't use it if you don't like it, it's free," which was solid advice that I adopted.

Gentoo would break a lot when I used it, and I also learned a lot by getting it to work when it broke.

But I do not blame Gentoo for it. It was mostly my fault, for using ~x86 ("testing" keyword) instead of x86.

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