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> Charlie Marsh is just a damn good developer curious how you assessed this. did you inspect the code or are you just commenting from the user POV?
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I mean, for your own sake, ideally you are not, but I think it’s reasonable.
I’m less enthusiastic about them hiring one of the core contributors of Rome away though.
I don’t care about Python, but I very much care about Typescript.
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That's just a foot in the door. Like sentry made a good logging library, then pivoted to an observability service. And today I use sentry because I have a great history with their product. It's smart and a positive way to make money. I dig it. PS: ruff is not replacing black (although it will probably in the end), but compete with flake8 and pylint.
Sentry had a natural path into cloud services because error monitoring has a server-side component to it. Serious question, what is the path for a linter? Where else are people paying for linting as a service?
Yet another case of Python developers getting a basic utility which any other language had available for years and being amazed at something which is an industry standard literally anywhere else. Linter taking multiple seconds is not a problem which occurs in any other popular language. It really boggles my mind why is this lang so popular. Once you write something a little more involved than an utility script or jup…
> Linter taking multiple seconds is not a problem which occurs in any other popular language. It doesn't happen in Python either. So that's good. > barely ever needing to touch the terminal Not really a good sign, point-click developers are not usually the strongest. That said I like things to work easily and don't have many quarrels with Python. Certainly fewer than most other languages. Sounds like you're not very…
In principle I agree, but my point is - it was possible to be fully productive being just a point-click developer.
> It doesn't happen in Python either. So that's good.
pyright + black + isort hook in the project I'm working on takes 1-5 seconds on an M1 mac on save. We're moving to ruff for this reason. Never saw this anywhere else.
> I don't have a problem with anything you list.
To give better examples:
- poetry takes ~900 seconds to resolve dependencies during update/lock
- I had to use multiprocessing where in any other language I would use threads because GIL, inter-process communication is needlessly complex
- I can't dot+tab+enter autocomplete while using boto or many other libraries - due to weak typing discoverability suffers and I need to have documentation always open in another window to do anything. This is not a problem in strongly typed languages.
- wsgi - concept of running separate interpreters for each incoming request is a bit wasteful
- I never had any problem with broken / incompatibile environment like I had on python. I just install recent version of .net / rust / node (to a lesser extent) and things generally tend to work. Here I have to worry about specific subversions and conflicts in PATH with another envs and OS-packaged python. Avoidable, but noobs are certain to hit this at some point.
- I didn't talk about general speed as it's beating a dead horse, but Python basically nullifies the last 20 years of hardware improvements
> Sounds like you're not very familiar with it and got used to C#.
I also used Rust and Go and was super happy with the experience for similar reasons.
This along with pydantic [0] means that 2/3 of my favorite python open source projects are now commercially backed. I wonder how long FastAPI will last? As an aside, what is the issue with versioning these days? Ruff and FastAPI both have massive user bases and a reliable codebase, but haven't released v1.0.0! Ruff hasn't even got as far as v0.1.0. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/sequoia-backs-open-source-...
You aren't the only one that has noticed: https://0ver.org/ More seriously though, for these projects, the first version is version zero. If they make no major backward incompatible changes, why would they ever release a version 1?
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then you probably dont know that i'm actually more supportive of charlie than most and are reading negative intent from a perfectly neutral/innocent question that is perhaps badly phrased :)
I thought more people would recognize your username, but I guess not. I suppose you're more prolific on Twitter than HN.
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Theo de Raadt engaging the Rust community would be a sight to behold :)
I am not aware of him saying anything about Rust beyond this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=151233345723889&w=2 Which doesn't mean he hasn't, of course!
Python needs something like pip and poetry that is (1) correct, and (2) faster than poetry.