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Re: Astral

#111

Post by [deleted] »

mrkeen wrote: post #104
sfink wrote: post #94

I agree with all of the naysayers here. Speed is not my problem today, so what's the point if it's not solving my personal problem? Speed was my problem yesterday, and probably will be again tomorrow, but today it isn't and I don't know why random people I don't know aren't invested enough in solving my today problem. Even worse, they're trying to get paid for it! Seriously: what does it take to impress people? A mer…

> I agree with all of the naysayers ... Speed is not my problem today > A mere 1000x speed increase and single point of configuration isn't good enough? > this isn't an incompatible upgrade I genuinely can't understand if you are for or against this tool.

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Re: Astral

#112

Post by throwaway2137 »

Yet another case of Python developers getting a basic utility which any other language had available for years and being amazed at something which is an industry standard literally anywhere else. Linter taking multiple seconds is not a problem which occurs in any other popular language.

It really boggles my mind why is this lang so popular. Once you write something a little more involved than an utility script or jupyter notebook you start dealing with stupid problems like

- venv

- no standard package manager, dependency resolution taking forever

- multiprocessing

- untyped libraries (looking at you boto)

- `which python`

- wsgi

- CLI debugging

et cetera.

I'm currently working daily with Python, and compared to the .NET world I'm coming from, it's MINDBLOWING how many things are annoying here. In my previous job I was able to spend several years working on a C# app barely ever needing to touch the terminal, everything came with batteries included, tooling / autocompletion / package management / performance / time spent on dealing with little issues was REALLY good in comparison.

Reason I moved is that it's hard to find a job in C# which isn't soul sucking stuff like banking / maintainance / insurance, so I'm dealing with it as the project is interesting at least.

Re: Astral

#113

Post by [deleted] »

toyg wrote: post #109
akprasad wrote: post #5

I love Ruff and I'm glad that Charlie and the rest of the team are able to work on such tools full-time. I'm also happy to see that the author of Maturin (Rust+Python interop) is involved, as Maturin is a fantastic project with great ease-of-use. For those who aren't familiar, Ruff is a very fast Python linter that supersedes a variety of tools like isort, flake8, and perhaps eventually Black [1]. My understanding is…

I actually cursed Maturin a few years ago, as it refused to compile on OpenBSD and hence broke some lib I planned to use. Python is becoming a bit too reliant on Rust. Rust is good but, in term of portability, is just not as mature as C. If your lib relies on Rust, please please please test it on something beyond Linux and Mac.

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Re: Astral

#115

Post by haolez »

I hope they eventually attack package management and easy static bundling. It would make Python more attractive for people coming from other ecosystems.

Re: Astral

#116

Post by qbasic_forever »

pid-1 wrote: post #70
akprasad wrote: post #5

I love Ruff and I'm glad that Charlie and the rest of the team are able to work on such tools full-time. I'm also happy to see that the author of Maturin (Rust+Python interop) is involved, as Maturin is a fantastic project with great ease-of-use. For those who aren't familiar, Ruff is a very fast Python linter that supersedes a variety of tools like isort, flake8, and perhaps eventually Black [1]. My understanding is…

Even if no VC was involved, how do you make money developing an open source linter?

How did Hashi corp make money (and an eventual billion dollar plus IPO!) developing open source tools like vagrant, consul and terraform...

Clearly the creator of ruff is going to expand from an open source tool into a company focusing on Python tooling and developer experience, services, etc. There is a market for stuff like that just based on pycharm and jet brains' success in the space alone.

Re: Astral

#117

Post by swyx »

Zanni wrote: post #96
traceroute66 wrote: post #47

I think HN should ban people who are too lazy to put a proper subject line on their post. I mean, "Astral" .... what's that ? The "astral.sh" domain doesn't tell me anything either. I'm sure those in the know automatically know what it is, but for the rest of us, the title is completely and utterly meaningless.

Banning is a little extreme, but I agree that title is unhelpful. Better title would be "Ruff is a fast Python linter written in Rust" (which is a slight paraphrase from one of the subheads).

especially when it doesnt seem to be the ruff founder who submitted this particular post. maybe dang or someone will rename it something more appropriate but from hn comments its pretty clear what the context is

Re: Astral

#118

Post by Tossrock »

throwaway2137 wrote: post #112

Yet another case of Python developers getting a basic utility which any other language had available for years and being amazed at something which is an industry standard literally anywhere else. Linter taking multiple seconds is not a problem which occurs in any other popular language. It really boggles my mind why is this lang so popular. Once you write something a little more involved than an utility script or jup…

Roblox is a big C# shop that's pretty fun - platform tech in the gaming space. And hiring!

Re: Astral

#119

Post by nwellnhof »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #116
pid-1 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if no VC was involved, how do you make money developing an open source linter?

How did Hashi corp make money (and an eventual billion dollar plus IPO!) developing open source tools like vagrant, consul and terraform... Clearly the creator of ruff is going to expand from an open source tool into a company focusing on Python tooling and developer experience, services, etc. There is a market for stuff like that just based on pycharm and jet brains' success in the space alone.

HashiCorp made a $270 million loss last year, more than 50% of their revenue.

Re: Astral

#120

Post by spullara »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #116
pid-1 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if no VC was involved, how do you make money developing an open source linter?

How did Hashi corp make money (and an eventual billion dollar plus IPO!) developing open source tools like vagrant, consul and terraform... Clearly the creator of ruff is going to expand from an open source tool into a company focusing on Python tooling and developer experience, services, etc. There is a market for stuff like that just based on pycharm and jet brains' success in the space alone.

A lot of the money comes from Vault which is open source but only used by larger organizations that want support.
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