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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by snvzz »

dabluecaboose wrote: post #303
snvzz wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typing (or pasting) a command into a terminal will always be more reproduceable than anything GUI.

Sure, and I'm personally fine with it. I'm one of those kooks at work who requested a Linux workstation, much to the chagrin of the IT department. But as long as there is a conversation between Windows and Linux that includes using the terminal, you've lost the "normie" segment of the population, which is going to preclude most people from even considering it. This fact is invariably met with much wailing and gnashin…

And we're fine with it.

They can suffer Windows or MacOS, it means nothing to me.

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Post by jeppester »

Windows won't get better as long as their consumer unfriendly behaviour has no effect on sales.

The EU (or some other authority) should force Windows licenses to be a separate purchase. The machines could still come with Windows preloaded, but then require a license key to unlock.

It would open the doors for competition and force MS to make Windows a compelling product that users would want to pay for.

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Post by Loughla »

bottlepalm wrote: post #78

It’s funny for what is essentially a ‘file manager’ Microsoft makes it hell to manage your files. My friends and family and constantly confused by the 10 different interfaces there are for file management. Desktops are a mess of of half trash files. The cloud integration the file explorer is a confusing mess. The UI for saving a file from Office is the absolute worst. I’ve had to help someone just save a file and it…

My number 1 complaint after switching from linux mint back to windows after years in linux-land after building a gaming rig -

The auto sort by date and group by most recent in their file explorer that you have to either use a third party app to turn back into sort by name and group by none, or - do that selection for literally every folder on its own.

That's a fucking train wreck. Who decided that sorting by date instead of name was a good idea? WHY?

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Post by snvzz »

artogahr wrote: post #297
snvzz wrote: post #290

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Arch Linux. Great community and excellent documentation wiki that'll hold your hand every step of the way.

hold your hand... if you have a hand to begin with. Most beginner users won't be able to follow most things in the Arch wiki.

I installed Gentoo when it was new with far less handholding. I was a child.

If you're literate enough to be able to read the wiki, you can manage to install, use every day, and get good at, Arch Linux.

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Post by Rimintil »

bigger_inside wrote: post #85
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

I've never used linux. After a hundred frustrations with my new laptop that runs Win11, I'm now looking to install ubuntu. Windows pushed me there.

You'll be trading one set of known frustrations with another set of unknown frustrations.

A few years ago, I ran Fedora w/ KDE Plasma. What _seemed_ to be random is the GTK fonts throughout the UI changed to a mono-spaced font regardless of what the control panel showed.

It "resolved itself" within a few weeks.

I don't know if it was an update that caused and subsequently resolved the issue, or something else I did.

This was just one of many hair-pulling examples I ran into across KDE Plasma and Gnome on Fedora.

I have different frustrations with both Windows and macOS.

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Post by zamadatix »

jerry1979 wrote: post #310

Do people see Windows as a secure operating system for the purposes of corporate work? Is there a way companies can turn this stuff off so employees don't engage with the content and accidentally give away sensitive information?

Of course. The Enterprise and Server versions of Windows are like a different world of user experience and OS control from e.g. Home.

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Post by JohnFen »

toss1 wrote: post #295
whoopdedo wrote: post #166

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It's what the phrase "the customer is always right" originally meant. It means you can do all the market research, development, testing, polling, and seeding to sell a product. But the ultimate decider of whether the product is "good" is whether or not the people buy it. If your sales plan flops don't say "it's not the product's fault, I just need to do a better job marketing it." No, the product is wrong, the custom…

>>That could mean scrapping the project because it's unpopular, but could also mean narrowing the focus to the smaller population that really does want what you're selling. ... or, keep improving the product to the point where most people actually find it useful, which is obviously an option for Microsoft, with cash reserves to fund centuries of development. Find out what the downsides are, and fix them, or offer act…

> or, keep improving the product to the point where most people actually find it useful

Some product ideas can't be made desirable and useful no matter how much improvement they get.

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Post by Loughla »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #65
causi wrote: post #59

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You should've learned having taste is an instant disqualifier for employment at Microsoft after Windows 8.

Ah i can see you never used windows 3.1.

Honestly, with new resolutions, 3.1 may be exactly the look I want. Everything was grouped logically, and you had control over your OS.
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