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Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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Re: Why don’t more people live close to friends?

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I'd say "a dozen or two" is a very high number. Enjoy and value your luck!

reminds me of this saying, in different variations, attributed to Aristotle: "He who has many friends has no friends".

At the number of friends equal to Facebook friends, definitely, but when you are talking a small fraction of Dunbar's number (which is more than a dozen dozens), I'm not sure it applies.

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> why don’t we do this? The fetishization of the nuclear family, of course, as well as the building and zoning codes that facilitate that fetishization. Zoning calls them "single family homes" but it doesn't call it "nuclear family homes" or anything like that. Single family homes are more about American individualism [0] and not wanting to share anything if you don't absolutely have to. That's why, outside of at mos…

Single family homes aren’t the problem, it’s lack of density and mixed-use. Ideally you have single family homes mixed in with condos and apartments, coffee shops, grocery stores, etc. and then you mix in various sizes and configurations so the wealthy CEO is walking their dog at the park and saying hello to the student living in a studio apartment, and they all say hi to the elderly couple sitting on the porch when…

Exactly, even the areas with the most density in America don't feel the same because of poor zoning laws mostly prohibiting mixed-use areas. The problem with the US is urban planners(is there a single new walkable city since urban planners became a thing?) not density.

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How? My eight year old daughter gets to roam free and has seven or eight different kids she plays with on a weekly basis. A few of them daily. We’re not worried about her getting carried off because the area is super safe. We lived in the city before and it was dangerous and the neighbor had a crazy pitbull chained up that’d break out all the time so we couldn’t let her out of the house. It’s also very diverse, her f…

No, American suburbs are good enough compared to American cities that are just filthy. Cities outside of US are just fine for raising children.

Any American city of sufficient size has many parts, some better than others. Much of Baltimore is unpleasant or dangerous, but the Mount Washington area looks suburban and is pleasant. There are dangerous and unpleasant parts of Washington, DC, and there are parts that are fine. There are some troubled places in suburbs, as well.

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I don’t think so. I’ve seen countless threads and front page articles about more bike-friendly, anti-car city development, as well as how suburban and rural cities requiring cars and more driving is definitely not a good thing. It’s very hard to find anyone coming to defense of the allure of smaller, more open developments with actual land between your neighbors. If you want to find rural or suburban folks, HN is not…

I'm into rural living myself. Spent enough time in cities & suburbs to appreciate wide open spaces without nosy neighbors & HOA rules. I also appreciate cars & the freedom they enable. Re: anti-car people, one thing that is not acknowledged about America is that America is very large & people like having their own land. Public transportation is not a feasible option for mountain communities, low population density ar…

To paraphrase Bill Gates, "nobody needs more than 640 square feet".

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Access to friends is probably the biggest reason I prefer dense urban environments. There’s something magical about being able to step out your door and be within a 10-20 minute walk of close friends or family. It invites casual get togethers like Saturday afternoon coffee or an after work drink. Living an hour or two apart kills these opportunities. I recall walking through Vienna one weeknight evening and being ama…

Or just live in a small town where all of your friends and needs are 5 minutes away. I see no point to overpopulated cities with remote work so prevalent nowadays. Cars aren't the problem, overpopulated cities are. I can walk my town end to end in 15 minutes, there's a coop, grocery store, hospital, entertainment, etc. You can drive to another town if you want, or drive and park anywhere without paying, or walk, or b…

Small towns are almost always in rural areas which at least in American means some amount of trouble if you're non religious, non white, or non heterosexual.

Problem with cities isn't overpopulation, it's housing. People want to live there but there isn't enough accommodations, and there totally could be if zoning and infrastructure were properly prioritized.

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If anything, you are being too nice to US suburbs: It's perfectly possible to have towns that are much denser than any US suburb. My Spanish home town has about 100K inhabitants: You'd not call that a city anywhere in the US. And yet, It's basically a circle with a one mile radius: Yes, just one mile. In that situation, one can walk everywhere, and public transportation is limited to the elderly, people carrying heav…

In my Portuguese apartment block I have 2 restaurants, a cafe, a hairdresser, a phone shop and some other commercial I haven't quite identified. From the front door I can throw rocks at 2 more cafes, another restaurant, a launderette, a playground and a car dealer. There is a basket ball court out the back. Nothing special about my 7 storey block, but when a certain density is reached things start to work really well

Where is that more precisely ?

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This is a bit of an unconventional POV, but I don't consider large areas of suburban sprawl to be cities but just really big towns. This covers Houston, swaths of Atlanta, lots of Southern California. There are lots of people living there compared to rural areas, to be sure, but without the density to support usable public transportation (once-an-hour buses don't count), it's really not a city at all. It's endless su…

I don't think it's that unconventional. I'm a published critic of American-style automobile sprawl, and I've argued that 90% of what notionally passes for a metro area in Middle America should be reclassified as a rural area in the eyes of most reasonable people from elsewhere in the world.

Rural doesn't seem quite right--in rural areas you can actually buy food at a roadside food stand. NA sprawl is effectively 'housing desert' where the only thing is housing.

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This is why I love living in a city with a reliable train network. So many times I have left a party completely drunk late at night, and been perfectly able to manage my way back home. Seems like Americans are left with the choice to either risk killing someone/themselves driving home or just not going out.

> Seems like Americans are left with the choice to either risk killing someone/themselves driving home or just not going out. If only there was a service where you can pay money to be driven somewhere... I heard Americans invented these smartphones with apps, Maybe they can even invent an app-based version of that paid ride service!

This is a comment by a rich person who is ignoring the subject matter, or someone who hasn't used uber post-covid

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US anecdata: I also live in a small town of around 2000 in rural Massachusetts. Within the same walking distance I have: full elementary school (kindergarten through 6th grade), public tennis and basketball courts, a public indoor gym, a grocery store, several restaurants, several bookstores, several banks, a pharmacy, a bowling alley and a few more misc stores. We also have public transport to the nearest big town b…

> Within the same walking distance Aye, but I bet GP's home town in Spain is much more pleasant to walk in from November to March ;-) That aside, there are some real gems among Western Mass towns! I wonder, with all the empty land in this country (even in places very hospitable to human life), if it's possible to found new towns built in the "European" model of a central plaza surrounded by multifamily, mixed-use dev…

I really do love New England towns in general. I went to undergrad at a small Vermont college and being walkable or bikeable to restaurants, bars, grocery stores, etc. but also being immersed in nature was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had.

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I've been wondering how related these feelings of distance and isolation in the middle of society are to how the area is designed. I had always known for a long time the "why" I didn't want to go out on weekends and such, but it wasn't until I watched some of those videos from "Not Just Bikes" that it really, really struck me. I literally dread finding parking more than I enjoy finding friends. And suburban (and fran…

This is a bit of an unconventional POV, but I don't consider large areas of suburban sprawl to be cities but just really big towns. This covers Houston, swaths of Atlanta, lots of Southern California. There are lots of people living there compared to rural areas, to be sure, but without the density to support usable public transportation (once-an-hour buses don't count), it's really not a city at all. It's endless su…

This is an extreme take but IMO New York is the only real American city. Maybe Boston and Chicago. Everything else is a glorified suburb. I wish we had good, small cities in this country, but we just don’t.
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