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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by ricardobayes »

hparadiz wrote: post #108

I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. My work around was to setup a QEMU VM inside Linux where I provided the VM with the secondary M.2 as the main install drive.…

If "Linux" could ever fix the consistent sound mixer / bluetooth issues, it could really be the de facto OS. I don't know how but across multiple people and distributions sound issues always start surfacing after 2-3 months.

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Post by npteljes »

have_faith wrote: post #280
npteljes wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Microsoft would do well >They need to ask some deep questions of themselves Are they not doing well though? I see that they are a successful business.

"would do well" does not mean "in order to do well", it's more like cautioning someone on a dangerous path that appears to be fine at a glance.

Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't aware of that usage.

I feel the same though. I don't see how these things backfire at Microsoft. Rather than them doing something particular, I see that every such entity is doing things like this, so it's more of just a sign of the times, and MS just doing what everyone else is doing.

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Post by ricardobayes »

hguant wrote: post #193
0000000000100 wrote: post #146

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Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

>My favorite pet theory about Microsoft is that no one that works there actually uses any of their products and are just on Macs lol There have been multiple comments on HN from Microsofters (Microsoftarians?) about how the Windows UI/Design team uses Macs exclusively, which explains a lot. I believe the Visual Studio team is still dogfooding, but can't believe that about anyone else, given how actively user hostile…

I find that really difficult to believe.

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Post by DrBazza »

lkramer wrote: post #301
DrBazza wrote: post #245

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> Windows 11, ad ridden malware by any definition from 10 years ago. Users will take it, because where else to go. 2 of my last 3 jobs have offered MacBooks, something unthinkable even 10 years ago. The majority of my friends kids (70-80%) have Apple devices (phones and laptops). A couple of them, surprisingly to me, even have linux and Chromebook laptops.

At my job you need a special dispensation if you want a Windows machine (normally available options are Linux or Mac). That would certainly have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

I'm currently trying to persuade my current employer for a linux desktop. Developers at my company have zero reasons to use Windows, and yet we're using it 'for reasons'.

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Post by bradfa »

mft_ wrote: post #296

The sad thing is, Windows (even 11) can be great. I bought a new PC 18m ago, and due to the particular software I need to run, I needed a primary Windows installation. The PC came with a Windows 11 license, but I downloaded a stripped out ‘gamer’ focused ISO and installed that instead. It’s brilliant. Thanks to the nature of the ISO, it is totally debloated – far beyond just the obvious removal of things like ads and…

I just bought a new HP ENVY laptop with a Win 11 Pro license. I replaced the RAM and M.2 before first power-up and made a USB boot drive with the Windows 11 media creation application to do the install. The installer lacked wifi drivers so I had to google how to get past that to create an account, but now I have a local-only login and I've turned off the location/weather/ads things and Win 11 is fine. I'm not a fan of the Start menu (Win2k was my preferred) but the laptop is very usable.

Coming from Windows 8.1 on the previous PC, my setup of Windows 11 is fine.

I don't know how normal people buy a new PC and not accidentally sign up for a subscription or three, there's SOOOO many nags with unintuitive choices, but once past all that it's fine.

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Post by nstart »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #289
nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

Honest question - what do you like about Windows? I used windows from 3.1, NT, 95, 2000 until XP, at which point I switched to Linux for my main OS. Obviously I used all the later versions of Windows too for work, but each version seemed worse and less usable (7 was ok I guess).

I dont know how to explain it. I’ve used all major OS’s including a couple of flavors of Linux. I just love windows. 11 is pretty awesome for me where I use it on my surface pro 8 and it’s just really nice especially with touch. Touch is definitely a huge part of my workflow too to the point that when I sit at my desktop I sometimes try to touch the screen.

There are so many tiny quality of life things like being able to use auto hot key to macro my way around daily stuff or how the file explorer works in a way that feels more intuitive. The little thing of being able to win+shift+s and snip a part of the screen where it loads into the clipboard immediately and does not save to a file by default. I heart power toys so much especially fancy zones which I use extensively. I also do like customizing my start menu. I find building my native home brew apps for the OS to be more pleasant. I find the windows terminal to be a fabulous experience I couldn’t live without now. Wsl is a blessing where I have multiple OS’s which I need and they don’t bog the system down. All my games work fine. I just… I really love the OS and what it lets me do.

Other OS’s could probably do similar things (auto hot key is your final boss though) but I guess windows just clicks for me really really well.

Literally, the only things I’d change about it right now are the whole adware/spyware bit and making the file path work like it does in Unix based systems. Backslashes! Urgh.

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Post by shmde »

waboremo wrote: post #176
userbinator wrote: post #123

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You consider 10 "good"? Maybe compared to 8, but not anything before. It's gotten consistently worse with each new version since ~XP. 8 was a massive nosedive, 8.1 a slight improvement over 8, and 10 roughly the same, and 11 another nosedive.

10 LTSC is the best version of windows in history. Far better than XP or 7.

Yes. Been using it for over 2 years now, this is the version that I thought what a "Good" windows experience would be like. And this the exact version that Windows tries to hide from the world. Win 10 LTSC for the win.

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Post by miffy900 »

soco wrote: post #277
hardware2win wrote: post #251

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>Vista was an universally loathed disaster, but users took it because where else to go? Who? "Nobody" used Vista except eg schools. Same with 8 Maybe for me it feels diffetent maybe thats country difference, but the windows migration felt like: xp 7 10 ... 12? People were using xp and 7 as long as they could >In windows XP, microsoft learned their users accepted some abuse,e.g locked theme engine, plastic default the…

Let's give also credit to 8.1 - it was quite usable.

Yes it was better than 8.0, but 8.x definitely did not sell as well as Windows 7.

Windows 7 got 3 years of ESU (extended security updates), which MS did not bother with Winodws 8 because there wasn't the install base worth the effort (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-8-1-supp...).

It was the same with Vista - it's predecessor, Windows XP, was supported until 2014, which was 2 years more than Vista got

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Post by shmde »

concinds wrote: post #305
kjellsbells wrote: post #178

Pet theory: Windows for consumers doesn't get dogfooded by internal employees, as they all use the Enterprise version. So they never get to see the full effect of what the Windows group is pushing out to their grandmas.

I use Windows 11 Enterprise and it has all the things both articles complain about.

Install Win 10 Enterprise LTSC. This is the only usable windows version available. Been using it since 2 years, no regrets/complains.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by ricardobayes »

charles_f wrote: post #100

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

I personally don't think 11 is trash, to date it's been my most stable OS. Absolutely zero issues whatsoever, it just works. Both 7 and 10 had blue screens frequently (on the same machine).
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