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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by Dalewyn »

nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

>Like what does it want to be? Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. Right now it’s trying to be both and that sucks.

Microsoft wants Windows to be an ad platform and data sinkhole, it being an OS is mostly Win32 baggage that they've been repeatedly failing to kill off because users want an OS to run Win32 software and couldn't care less about being data sheep.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by toast0 »

rafark wrote: post #99
WWLink wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably my computer/browser, but that feels hella slow. For those getting ideas, Windows 2000 was lightning fast to use. Even on something humble at the time. Those windows and menus popped up instantly.

Not really. When I was a kid in the mid 2000s I remember the family computer was hella slow. The menus did not pop up instantly. You probably used it on a top of the line machine. For a lot of us, windows 2000 and xp was sluggish and slow. Our pc used to have 512mb of ram iirc.

512mb should be plenty for win2k, I'd think. My college had a laptop program with Compaq Armada E500s that had maybe 64mb of ram. It shipped with win98se, but ran fine on 2k and xp. (With XP or 98se, but not 2k, you could use the internal display and the vga port independently). That was a nice laptop, but still, if you had 8x the ram, your machine was probably nicer in most ways.

The key for 2k and XP is going to system performance settings and unchecking as many of the UI frivalries as you can stomach. Personally, I don't need window contents to move as I drag and resize windows... just the outline is fine, and it makes it more responsive, so it's better for me.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by midoridensha »

horsemans wrote: post #148
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #105

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In your estimation, how much graphic violence should my operating system show me on a routine basis?

>In your estimation, how much graphic violence should my operating system show me on a routine basis?

I think it's simple: the amount that maximizes the OS vendor's profits.

If you don't like this, you're free to choose a different OS vendor, or use a free OS, of which many variants exist.

Personally, I applaud Microsoft for doing their fiduciary duty and maximizing profits, even if that means pissing off their users who refuse to abandon the platform.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

hparadiz wrote: post #108

I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. My work around was to setup a QEMU VM inside Linux where I provided the VM with the secondary M.2 as the main install drive.…

I've been daily driving Linux for maybe around 5 years, and I only ever need to be boot into Windows when I need to use an android custom ROM tool. This is generally a flurry of activity over a day or few, and then nothing for months.

I've just (re)obtained a desktop PC with a GPU, which I'm using as a Linux gaming prototype box with ubuntu 20.04 LTS running Steam, and I'm reliving some youth in playing through Deus Ex (properly, stealthily). Enjoying the fact that Linux is doing it pretty smoothly (with some initial setup headaches now overcome).

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by deafpolygon »

horsemans wrote: post #148
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #105

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In your estimation, how much graphic violence should my operating system show me on a routine basis?

Oh, and I'd like to know how many 10 year old kids should be reading about them on a daily basis? I bet that really helps settle their minds when they go to school the next day!

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by waboremo »

userbinator wrote: post #123
charles_f wrote: post #100

There's been a long observed tradition that every other version of Windows is trash. 3.1, 98, XP, 7, 10 were good^, 95, ME, Vista, 8 and now 11 are trash. This one is a bit of a fun one because the bits described here are almost sabotage level bad. You can deactivate that pretty easily so it's not a big deal; there's some other clunky ui interface notably in settings where you can still find 4 or 5 different generati…

You consider 10 "good"? Maybe compared to 8, but not anything before. It's gotten consistently worse with each new version since ~XP. 8 was a massive nosedive, 8.1 a slight improvement over 8, and 10 roughly the same, and 11 another nosedive.

10 LTSC is the best version of windows in history. Far better than XP or 7.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by xiphias2 »

frozenport wrote: post #161
nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

You think they can control it? Lack of design in Windows is a direct consequence of MS's inability to steer its process and product strategies. Multiple competing GUI teams, user experience, core devs unable to roll out features because of the number of stake holders, etc.

For deep level changes you're probably right, but showing ads in windows is probably a board level decision. At least Satya doesn't look like the CEO who would approve it with all his product focus, it must come from above.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by kjellsbells »

Pet theory: Windows for consumers doesn't get dogfooded by internal employees, as they all use the Enterprise version. So they never get to see the full effect of what the Windows group is pushing out to their grandmas.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by smusamashah »

makeitdouble wrote: post #163
smusamashah wrote: post #151

I have a theory. People who actually like Windows 11 are mostly new windows users. New as in they haven't used Windows 98 or it's likes, also they were never have been the power users of Windows from that time. Yead old windows had so many problems, mostly around finding where particular settings are, but otherwise it was fast and usable and was definitely not a Mac. There is a saying in my language which translates…

Chiming in as a new user who jumped from XP to 11 (also tried rolling it back to 10 just to see, and reverted it to 11) Windows has always been to me a "make it work" experience, from 95 to XP at least. Critical aspects have always been broken, a fresh install always started from wiping everything clean, removing junk, going into the registry and adding third party tools to make it viable. And then backing it up, bec…

Modern windows didn't have to cut down on lots of old features, but they did anyway to appeal to Mac crowd. They got rid of classic theme few versions back, cut down on lots of customizablity. There are lots of useful and convenient features which could have all co-existed, but no, they have be trying to become Mac both in UI and a closed eco system where they can do whatever they want to their users leaving them as little choice as possible.
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