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The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by neogodless »

agiacalone wrote: post #181
0000000000100 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

I have a close relative who works for the beast, and he claims that everyone there "eats the dogfood". Knowing what I know of him, I believe it and he certainly lives the company life. He even used to have (and claimed to like) a Windows phone. ;)

Having owned multiple Windows Phones, they were awesome. Anyone that "claims" to like them is probably telling the truth.

I still miss the tiled home screen and the excellent keyboard.

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Post by masfuerte »

cfinnberg wrote: post #198
0000000000100 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

> Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I think that has not been true for a long time. At least if you are using UEFI. Windows respects UEFI enough to just change own stuff in the EFI partition. Windows will change the default boot entry to itself at installation time, but so every Linux distro do. Notice that nowadays you can install Windows *after*…

Linux Mint has started changing the UEFI boot order every time GRUB updates. Which seems to be quite often recently. It's incredibly rude!

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by pndy »

userbinator wrote: post #104
AraceliHarker wrote: post #70

I think you can understand Microsoft’s Windows 11 development policy well if you look at the following subreddit. https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/123br95/news_in_...

More precisely, this: This post is locked. You won't be able to comment.

Some subs exist solely to provide space for product promotion using unaware users as medium, so yeah it's not surprising this thread is locked.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by NexRebular »

COMMENT___ wrote: post #228

> I use Windows to play games, but it truly feels like a trash party most of the time. Use Linux + Proton. It’s fascinating how Linux became a decent replacement for Windows for video games. (Thanks, Valve!)

What if I don't want to use linux? Not many choices available beside consoles.

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Post by npteljes »

richjdsmith wrote: post #102

Windows 11 has made me hate my computer. I have a top end surface book pro and it lags every day. Things like opening the calculator or file explorer are a test of patience and my patience has been tested daily. I loathe windows 11 and regret the day I installed it.

I feel the same. They made me hate this shit. I'm especially salty because to me, originally, Windows was the coolest thing ever - when I first saw Win 3.1.

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Post by mft_ »

The sad thing is, Windows (even 11) can be great.

I bought a new PC 18m ago, and due to the particular software I need to run, I needed a primary Windows installation. The PC came with a Windows 11 license, but I downloaded a stripped out ‘gamer’ focused ISO and installed that instead.

It’s brilliant. Thanks to the nature of the ISO, it is totally debloated – far beyond just the obvious removal of things like ads and spyware. As a result, it boots faster than any operating system I’ve ever had – once you get past the bios shenanigans, it takes about 5 to 7 seconds and it’s fully ready to go. (That’s a clean boot, not from sleep). It’s similarly fast in regular use, and it has been perfectly stable.

(The only downside of this approach is you have to be careful what’s been stripped out before you make your choice. In my case, I’ve not been able to install a printer, and WSL has also been removed. These are minor irritations, which so far I haven’t led me to abandon this installation – because otherwise it’s just great.)

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Post by Animux »

yellowapple wrote: post #203
7speter wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I’m wrong but Windows is “free” (as in beer) unless you want to change your desktop, and then you have to fork over 100 dollars (if you don’t just buy a license from one of these grey market sellers who advertise on youtube). It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft serves ads and collects people’s data to subsidize, at least to some degree the losses of not selling license codes for 150-200 dollars. This is…

> unless you want to change your desktop, and then you have to fork over 100 dollars (if you don’t just buy a license from one of these grey market sellers who advertise on youtube). That, or you install vlmcsd somewhere and activate against that.

Or py-kms.

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Post by npteljes »

retrocryptid wrote: post #129

You're no longer the customer. You don't pay for the operating system, so you're the product.

>You don't pay for the operating system

What do you mean? Windows 11 costs money. The cheapest version is around $100 in Hungary.

It's not even free when bundled to stuff - backchannel business deals take care of that.

So we both pay, and also we are the product. Always have been, I believe.

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Post by sgt »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

Linux still can't do high/mixed DPI out of the box?

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Post by neogodless »

72deluxe wrote: post #283
COMMENT___ wrote: post #228

> I use Windows to play games, but it truly feels like a trash party most of the time. Use Linux + Proton. It’s fascinating how Linux became a decent replacement for Windows for video games. (Thanks, Valve!)

Is there a standalone installer for this so you can run items not on Steam? I have many old Windows games you see, with DVDs.

You can add non-Steam installers to your Steam library, and then select a version of Proton to run them under.

Works for StarCraft II.

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