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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by fauxpause_ »

bena wrote: post #453
fauxpause_ wrote: post #426

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I would rather pay less for Ubers than have Apple’s protections. I would rather pay less for Uber and have Apple’s protections. Apple will still offer Uber, but they will take a smaller cut. Uber will still be available on the App Store because it is the most common App Store.

Apple doesn't offer Uber. Uber offers Uber. Uber offers it through the App Store because that's their only option. And even if the only thing that happens is that Apple takes a smaller percentage, that doesn't impact me at all. I'd still pay the same. So, in your best case, we have a scenario that is neutral for me. Excuse me for not being thrilled by that.

It impacts you in the form of lower prices.

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Post by microflash »

layer8 wrote: post #441
microflash wrote: post #361

I can't wait for my banking app to ask me to disable sideloading on iOS before I can actually use it. Such idiocy has been rampant on Android with banking apps refusing to launch when Developer Options are enabled. That aside, I am very happy with this development. I have personal apps that I'd like to sideload without paying for a developer account. I am also looking forward to a more lively open-source ecosystem ar…

I don’t think banking apps will have much reason to do so, given that sideloaded apps will still be sandboxed. This is not like a jailbreak. I would also assume that apps have no way to check what kind of other apps are installed.

I hope that sideloading detection will not be possible for other apps. Enabling Developer Options is not rooting Android devices but that hasn't stopped many banking apps forcing users to completely disable them before they can be opened.

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Post by vbezhenar »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #428
vbezhenar wrote: post #345

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Power users can already sideload anything on iPhone. It's not even hard. I guess the whole talk is about making side-loading easier.

It used to not be possible at all, and now you still have to repeat it regularly if you want to keep using the sideloaded application, which makes it close to useless for anything else than development. Of course, as expected from Apple, doing it from another OS than macOS is a huge PITA too.

It was always possible. Buy a developer certificate. $100/year, when whole iPhone is like $1500 is not that expensive. Consider it a premium service.

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Post by tgv »

waboremo wrote: post #301
tgv wrote: post #222

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That won't happen. People will install Chrome, and that's the end of it. Well, not the end of Google, of course, which will now have even more opportinuties to grab your data and sell your privacy.

I'm not sure you're really following. If developers are already jumping through hoops to make their extensions available for safari users, the only way this "will not happen" is if apple makes barriers to entry even worse.

Safari will become irrelevant. Users, some through ignorance, others coerced by incompetent front-end teams ("Safari is the new IE") will switch to Chrome. It will be the end of Safari. There will only be a few extension developers left.

When that happens, please switch to Firefox. It has more extensions than you'll ever need, and it's better for the tech environment and your privacy.

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Post by sneak »

mft_ wrote: post #106
sneak wrote: post #77

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For me, it's where the apps send the credentials or usage information off to. Most apps in the iOS App Store are chock full of spyware that reports on everything you do in the app. Many of the Apple system apps function the same way too (even with analytics disabled).

Again, totally genuine question: how do you know this? From a (my) relatively uninformed perspective, I'd have expected the opposite - that the iOS App store was more of a 'controlled' environment, and the Play store more like the wild west. But maybe this is just me believing Apple's marketing...

Most apps disclose this in their app privacy label in the app store.

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Post by rickdeckard »

GeekyBear wrote: post #477
rickdeckard wrote: post #381

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Hence "Yes". Lots of things are "possible", it's just not how things are. We're circling around a straw-man

Yes, for some reason you're pushing the straw man argument that relentlessly spying on everyone, even people who are not your customer at all, is the same thing as having a first party business relationship with your own customer.

Nope.

I'm asking how the persona creation of Google/Meta for selling ads is any different to Apple doing the very same thing, and if those actions when done by one party qualify as "spying", what are the same actions done by Apple then.

You avoided clarifying your view on Apple's actions for hours and instead kept arguing how Google/Meta's action are clearly espionage.

Now you inadvertently clarified that Apple is free to do all of the same that Google/Meta are doing because when Apple is doing it it is a first-party "business relationship". When Google/Meta is doing it, it is somehow never a first-party relationship but always an outside actor spying on people who don't use their products. Despite both parties doing this to refine the persona's they have of their platform users.

That's settled then. Have a good day.

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Post by morbicer »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

roamerz wrote: post #536
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #449

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> I liken this to people who buy a house near an airport then lobby to get the airport closed Well, no, in this case it’s the government going to see the pseudo-monopolist and telling them: "Party is over. There is going to be some competition there from now on." Something I most definitely cheer for.

> There is going to be some competition there from now on. there already is competition- it’s called Android based phones. This is more akin the government telling Walmart they have to freely give shelf space away to anyone and everyone to sell anything they want.

> there already is competition- it’s called Android based phones.

The law is about digital store and aims at stopping the close tie between platform and stores. Android is completely irrelevant here.

> This is more akin the government telling Walmart they have to freely give shelf space away to anyone and everyone to sell anything they want.

No, it's akin to the government telling a city they can't mandate than its inhabitants have to shop at Walmart.

I don't understand why so many act as Apple apologists and feel the need to justify the current situation.

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Post by realusername »

isthiseasymode wrote: post #484
realusername wrote: post #269

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That's going to end up the same way as Android if I have to guess yeah, as complicated as it gets for a normal user to activate so that nobody uses this outside of tech workers. Then they can just say that it's technically "there" for the courts.

Hot take: that’s how it should be. After fixing laptops for less technical people, I don’t think the average person can be trusted to protect themselves against malware.

I don't agree there's any links between an appstore and malware.

Sandboxing and app distribution are two concept which might or might not be linked depending on the implementation.

For example, if somebody implemented an appstore for WindowsXP which had zero software protection, the appstore would have been a significant vector of distributing malware as well.

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Post by jamil7 »

tgv wrote: post #554
waboremo wrote: post #301

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I'm not sure you're really following. If developers are already jumping through hoops to make their extensions available for safari users, the only way this "will not happen" is if apple makes barriers to entry even worse.

Safari will become irrelevant. Users, some through ignorance, others coerced by incompetent front-end teams ("Safari is the new IE") will switch to Chrome. It will be the end of Safari. There will only be a few extension developers left. When that happens, please switch to Firefox. It has more extensions than you'll ever need, and it's better for the tech environment and your privacy.

I use Safari as a daily driver because it tends to have a low impact on my machine. Whether Apple has the stomach for competing with Google directly after these changes remains to be seen, Microsoft threw in the towel after all.
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