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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by ben_w »

pjc50 wrote: post #144
jclardy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

Possibly this is preparation for TikTok being forced out of the store by the US government? But they'd still like to offer it, to avoid losing business to Android if that becomes the only platform with TikTok.

It would be deliciously ironic if one hand of the US government forces Apple to allow side-loading while another other forces it to stop distributing apps.

I appreciate it's not just the US in either case, but the irony is still delicious.

(No way I'm allowing side loaded apps on my main phone though; would rather have a secondary phone for them if I'm forced to install them for whatever reason).

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Post by Hippocrates »

moomoo11 wrote: post #275

Isn’t it a minority of people who want this? I’d bet 99% of Apple users don’t care nor want this. I know I don’t. I like Apple’s App Store standards. If I want to side load apps I’d use android. But I don’t. If companies don’t like it just don’t support iOS. Others will and I’ll use those apps.

Precisely. You'll find that within HN and consumer electronics communities, the concept is much more polarizing. How many of your friends know what side-loading is? How many would want it if they did know what it was?

If app-store only is ANY more secure than side loading than that's what I'd want my friends and family using, based on their technical chops, and my desire to not be their IT guy.

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Post by brundolf »

jclardy wrote: post #125
TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

Some things can be sandboxed in software, some things are only socially-enforceable. For example, look at Apple's requirement to list everything an app does with the user's data. It's impossible to enforce that in software and still have functioning apps (trivial example: an app's back-end sells every single request made to it to some third party), but Apple was able to enforce it anyway via App Store rejections

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Post by dylan604 »

Spivak wrote: post #75
1over137 wrote: post #51

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>today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android You have a third choice: don't install facebook at all.

You see how that's worse right? Either give up your privacy or don't use FB. On iOS you can have both.

You're confused on hows removing your privacy in this example though. The recent-ish changes to iOS protects your privacy from FB. So, yeah, your choice is use FB or don't. It has always been this way. The app store is not the bad guy in the FB conversation.

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Post by vbezhenar »

kaba0 wrote: post #307
kmlx wrote: post #245

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> I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? fraud. we'll see lots and lots of fraud. a new avenue will be open.

Just make it hard to sideload, like the android dev mode. Then your grandma won’t install anything, but power users can actually use their general purpose devices as such.

Power users can already sideload anything on iPhone. It's not even hard.

I guess the whole talk is about making side-loading easier.

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Post by stcroixx »

Spivak wrote: post #190
lolinder wrote: post #103

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> On iOS you can have both. No, you can't. You can have some protections against the most egregious overreaches, but if you're concerned about privacy you shouldn't be on Facebook, ever, on any platform. Aside from that, there's no way Facebook will remove themselves from the app store. Apple isn't going to make sideloading easy enough for the average Facebook user.

No, you can't. And if you could, the protections aren't that good. And if they were, it's not going to happen anyway. And if it does, that's Apple's fault for making it too easy. And even so, you deserve it anyway for using Facebook. I don't think is the argument you think it is. It's basically "nuh-uh" while agreeing with all the arguments in favor no sideloading along the way. Facebook has 2.95 billion MAUs and 73%…

That 73% number sounds fudged. I’m sure they have some justification, but they’re proven liars.

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Post by tempodox »

DevKoala wrote: post #268

I hope there is an option to disable this by default. My parents already manage to install tons of awful apps somehow.

The AppStore is not there to protect your parents from awful software, it's there to protect Apple's interests. And they sure as hell won't force side-loading on you.

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Post by airstrike »

kaba0 wrote: post #309
HeckFeck wrote: post #239

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> the free market failed to implement a meaningful competition for central app stores. I don't want every component of my phone OS broken apart and subject to what some legislator or lobbyist thinks is 'competition'. The competition is between Apple and Google making mobile platforms and we already had a choice. I chose Apple's approach after a few years with Google. I miss the headphone jack, but having no tacky tra…

2 is no choice, that’s just ridiculous.

Network effects. Or do we really expect devs to write proper code for 3+ entirely different native mobile platforms?

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Post by GeekyBear »

rickdeckard wrote: post #330
GeekyBear wrote: post #282

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> If people consider Meta/Google's practice as spying Maintaining shadow profiles on people who aren't even customers and buying user data from third parties isn't spying on people? Again, it's not the part where you sell ads that is problematic.

Agreed. But USING data of your transactions and your third party apps to refine your profile is not spying? Both is done for the sake of understanding who you are in order to sell ads to you. Is one "spying" and the other "a little bit of spying"?

Are we talking about something like Amazon having a record of things I have purchased from Amazon? Or are we talking about Google buying a copy of my credit card transaction data?

Because one of those is a perfectly normal part of any business relationship, and the other is absolutely not normal and not acceptable.

I mean, Amazon stopped mailing receipts with line items of your purchases to Gmail customers because Google was maintaining a purchase history for transactions that they had nothing to do with.

> Google’s secret page records everything you’ve bought online

https://www.komando.com/shopping/googles-secret-page-records...

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