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Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by LeFantome »

canistel wrote: post #184

It does sadden me that ReactOS has not been mentioned even once in this entire discussion so far. Understandably, it is not a viable alternative at the moment. However, I will hope against hope. Looking back, Lazarus IDE had languished for a long while, before maturing. As I write this, I have at least 3 applications written in Lazarus running. So I will hope against hope...

Your Lazarus example saddens me. Perhaps it has matured to the point of being awesome. Unfortunately, it seems to have happened too late and so few of us will ever experience it at this point.

I hope that ReactOS can get there while it still matters. Evidence suggest otherwise but I also hope.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by olyjohn »

blibble wrote: post #48
wongarsu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is basically Windows Home, Pro and Pro for Workstations. There's also Enterprise and Education, but those seems to be the same as Pro for Workstations, just distributed differently. Windows 11 Pro is about $150 from official channels, or $30 for a key from a reseller, and the key can just upgrade your Windows Home install. It doesn't automatically fix everything, but it gives you the group policy editor which l…

I've heard the $2 LTSC keys on aliexpress activate without issue

Why pay $2 for a key which is still illegal to use? Just download a precracked version.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by hguant »

0000000000100 wrote: post #146
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. That's better than what has happened to me with prior versions of Windows: the Windows installer just deleted the Linux bo…

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

>My favorite pet theory about Microsoft is that no one that works there actually uses any of their products and are just on Macs lol

There have been multiple comments on HN from Microsofters (Microsoftarians?) about how the Windows UI/Design team uses Macs exclusively, which explains a lot. I believe the Visual Studio team is still dogfooding, but can't believe that about anyone else, given how actively user hostile the OS has been.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by LeFantome »

toast0 wrote: post #172
rafark wrote: post #99

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Not really. When I was a kid in the mid 2000s I remember the family computer was hella slow. The menus did not pop up instantly. You probably used it on a top of the line machine. For a lot of us, windows 2000 and xp was sluggish and slow. Our pc used to have 512mb of ram iirc.

512mb should be plenty for win2k, I'd think. My college had a laptop program with Compaq Armada E500s that had maybe 64mb of ram. It shipped with win98se, but ran fine on 2k and xp. (With XP or 98se, but not 2k, you could use the internal display and the vga port independently). That was a nice laptop, but still, if you had 8x the ram, your machine was probably nicer in most ways. The key for 2k and XP is going to sy…

I loved Windows 2000 and liked XP but 64 MB is not a lot. 2000 probably ran on that but did XP really?

I seem to remember XP using about 120 MB on start-up. That is nothing these days but I cannot imagine trying to run it in 64 MB.

Google tells me that the minimum spec for XP is indeed 64 MB though with 128 MB “recommended”. Back then, recommended was really a lot closer to the minimum in practice ( if you wanted to do more than just look at it.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by SBArbeit »

Go to Personalization / Taskbar. Turn off the widgets icon. Hide the Search bar. Turn off the Chat icon.

Voila! Just Windows. Instead of cursing at the sky, I just turn off what I don't want.

MacOS is an old, outdated clown car of an OS that looks like it hasn't been updated in 15 years. Let me know when the Year of Linux happens.

Meanwhile, Windows is the most efficient, easy-to-use OS for development and media tasks. WSL is amazing. Hyper-V is fast if I need it. And it all Just Works.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by userbinator »

mshockwave wrote: post #159
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #126

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> Windows really should just rebase on to Linux No, it should not. The NT kernel architecture is drastically superior to the Linux monorepo.

Mind to elaborate a little more?

Drivers with a stable API that don't break with each new minor version.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by cfinnberg »

0000000000100 wrote: post #146
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been daily driving Linux since March 2020 however recently purchased a Valve Index and decided to pop Win 10 on a completely empty secondary M.2. The setup kept failing because it just could not handle the fact that the primary M.2 had a Linux boot loader on it. It just refused to install. That's better than what has happened to me with prior versions of Windows: the Windows installer just deleted the Linux bo…

Even doing it the opposite way around still doesn't work (installing Windows first, and then replacing the Windows bootloader). Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader. I lived like that for about a year, but eventually just gave up and stuck to Windows. I like Linux a lot, but I've found that I save more time using Windows then trying to get Linux to wo…

> Every time there is a Windows update that is "major" enough, it will wipe the existing Linux bootloader.

I think that has not been true for a long time. At least if you are using UEFI. Windows respects UEFI enough to just change own stuff in the EFI partition. Windows will change the default boot entry to itself at installation time, but so every Linux distro do. Notice that nowadays you can install Windows *after* Linux and you just need to change the default OS back to Linux if you want so.

I'm a Linux user myself, but this is one of those myths that should end. I have had a Windows partition for almost three years that I only use to update Windows (all Windows 10 versions up until now and Windows 11 in the last update). Not once the update has affected my boot options.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by dustedcodes »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #47

There are two Microsofts, as I see it. The one with DevDiv and stuff, which has amazing and mostly free development tools like VS Code, VS 2022, Windows Terminal, WSL, Azure, the .NET ecosystem, the MSVC C++ STL, PowerShell, TypeScript, and so on. And then there's the bean-counting, irritating part of Microsoft that has stuck around since the 90s and doesn't seem to go away. This part justifies adding advertisements…

They are not that different. Look at Azure and tell me with a straight face that it’s not the biggest clusterfuck of all time. Look at it. Azure is the single biggest reason why .NET developers have high blood pressure around the world. Azure is so bad people actively filter out jobs where the company uses Azure. The only other software which triggers this much aversion in people is MS Teams.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by einherjae »

smaudet wrote: post #167
StillBored wrote: post #54

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Nah, few enterprises have asked for any of this trash either. I'm pretty sure that most of them would be perfectly happy with a windows 98 style GUI, that supported modern hardware. They don't want all this churn either, they want something that is stable, doesn't change very fast and doesn't require them to constantly retrain their staff or waste their IT admins time fighting with whatever new options require a new…

It is somewhat strange then that enterprise linux is not more common, you get stability and configurability. I mostly put this down to bad salesmanship/C*s tending to be effectively technological cavemen...perhaps there are backroom deals we are not privy to, though.

Except you dont, not in termos of unchanging UX. Gnome reinvents itself too often…

I’m surprised XFCE isn’t pushed more as an option.

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