The Windows 11 Trash Party • Hacker News Board

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by smusamashah » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:01 AM UTC

I have a theory. People who actually like Windows 11 are mostly new windows users. New as in they haven't used Windows 98 or it's likes, also they were never have been the power users of Windows from that time.

Yead old windows had so many problems, mostly around finding where particular settings are, but otherwise it was fast and usable and was definitely not a Mac.

There is a saying in my language which translates to "when the crow tried to walk like swan, it even forgot it's own walk".

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by nazgulsenpai » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:02 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #82

I can turn off all the UI trash. What I can't turn off is this stupid bug where it intermittently generates spurious keystrokes. I thought until recently that it was the trackpad on my laptop doing it but it happens with an external mouse and keyboard too. It's just intermittent enough that it's hard to pin down, while being frequent enough to be infuriating. The worst part is that sometimes one of the meta keys will…

Maybe try booting into a live Linux USB and poke around and see if you can replicate the problem there.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by mrlatinos » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:03 AM UTC

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #105

denkmoon wrote: post #96

It makes me so angry that companies like Microsoft are so dead set on shoving the culture down my throat by all means possible for a few cents of ad revenue while I do my best to avoid the culture as much as possible. I will pay. I will pay lots. Just fuck off with the shootings and the child abuses and the red vs blue and the things that are ruining our brains.

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I don't want to read about the stuff because I know somewhere, an 11 year old is also reading about it and it's either causing them anxiety or giving them ideas. I'd rather not support that.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by moxvallix » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:05 AM UTC

gondaloof wrote: post #106

donohoe wrote: post #86

I took a shirt-term job a few years back and tried giving Windows a go after many many years absence. Never again. Wow. It’s stagnated in many respects and its leading innovations are, sadly, hostile to users. I was very surprised.

> It’s stagnated in many respects You can’t say that with a straight face when the Finder on Mac has seen absolutely zero change since 2008. Windows Vista’s file controls blow every OS out of the water. I’m an Apple user and honestly I don’t remember the last useful feature added other the Universal Clipboard. I asked ChatGPT for a rundown and I just see a list of “moved things around and refreshed the UI”

> Windows Vista’s file controls blow every OS out of the water.

KDE's Dolphin File manager can: 1) Split the file window in two with a simple button press. 2) Pressing F4 opens an embedded terminal in the current directory. 3) Provides a super easy way of adding network drives, and a whole view to save them to. 4) Tags for organising files / folders. 5) Pressing space puts it into a super simple "Selection Mode".

There are more alternative file managers out there than just Mac's Finder. I don't think I have ever experienced Windows "blowing me out of the water" with it's file management controls.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by esafak » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:09 AM UTC

mdmglr wrote: post #118

WWLink wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like what does it want to be? Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. It's an OS created for enterprise corporations to support and manage the actions of their employees in a digital world. First and foremost. Most MS products are. The ad platform is MS trying to find ways to continue growing profits. :D

> Is it an OS or an advertisement platform. OS for enterprise customers and Windows Pro users who know how to use Group Policy. Advertisement platform for everyone else. Sad times.

Tell your kids to study hard so they can afford to stay away from it.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by esafak » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:10 AM UTC

retrocryptid wrote: post #129

You're no longer the customer. You don't pay for the operating system, so you're the product.

As if Windows or MS-DOS were ever good!

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by FridayoLeary » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:11 AM UTC

psyclobe wrote: post #117

I held on to Windows for years, finally had enough after I was forced to make a live account one day (the wizard just appeared providing no alternative one day).

... and sent you on a quest accompanied by the elves Analytics, Required Diagnostics and Better Experience and the dwarf twins Location and App Usage History. The epic journey took you through the mythical Optional Fields to Microsoft Land where you were to slay the dragon of User Choice and allow Men to once again reap their harvests of personal data without fear.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by CamperBob2 » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:12 AM UTC

hestefisk wrote: post #53

userbinator wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much it would take to get explorer.exe and the rest of the UI (userland) from Win2k running on a newer version of Windows. Backwards-compatibility has been MS' strong point for a long time, and the majority of other applications from the 2k era would probably be fine on Win11 too.

I would do anything for a modern version of Windows NT 4.0 Workstation. Now THAT was a professional OS. I would even pay for it.

Google "Enterprise LTSC IoT."

Downside is that "I would do anything" doesn't begin to describe what will be necessary to obtain a legitimate license.

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by mshockwave » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:12 AM UTC

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #126

tcmart14 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, Windows really should just rebase on to Linux. They can make their programs work on linux. But the OS isn't the future for Microsoft when it comes to profits. Their future is software and tooling. I don't follow MS's financials, but I bet their growth with Azure and Linux is far outpacing Windows license keys. I believe they have already indicated that Ubuntu is far more popular than their own server OS…

> Windows really should just rebase on to Linux No, it should not. The NT kernel architecture is drastically superior to the Linux monorepo.

Mind to elaborate a little more?

Re: The Windows 11 Trash Party

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Post by gigel82 » Tue, Apr 18, 2023, 4:15 AM UTC

giantrobot wrote: post #50

throwaway8503 wrote: post #27

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It's useful as an excuse for the OS to be continuously connected to the internet, which elides nicely into connecting to the internet for search results when you type something in the searchbox. And you can't argue that it's /useless/. It's more information, and, ceteris paribus, more information is better.

The problem is it's not data for you , it's data for Microsoft they turn around and sell. Every ping to their servers is more and more tracking data on you. If you sign into the OS with a Microsoft account, which is virtually required with Windows 11, they've got all of that data correlated with you personally rather than some ID string.

They collect data, which is what I hate about Windows too. But I doubt they sell it; it would be a pretty dumb thing to do. That's how they're building their "graph" thing that gets mentioned at every conference.

The same graph that will soon feed into the various Copilots and GPT-things to personalize the heck out of your search and document creation which leads to more usage which leads to more data to feed into the graph.

I'm sure some of that "accidentally leaks" into their ad business too (despite their privacy assurances), but again, I doubt they'd ever sell it to 3rd parties (if nothing else, out of fear of litigation... FAANGs usually take PII handling pretty seriously).