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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by vitorgrs »

sempron64 wrote: post #25
pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now it is not all the way there yet but so far the experience is more gratifying than Google. The results seem to be better and there is less ads on top the search results. Their AI integration is also well accomplished. No complains there...

Anecdotally, their actual search results have sucked for me. For example, I searched for “narrowest cars with 6 or more seats”, and Bing’s results were terrible and irrelevant. The AI version gave me some acceptable results but very few. Google returned pages of relevant results from different years.

You probably tried on balanced mode, that is shitty. Tried now on Creative and seems... very good?

https://imgur.com/a/xekxNAh

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Post by DangitBobby »

batiudrami wrote: post #655
yusufnb wrote: post #651

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Google did encroach. Google office/docs is much better than Microsoft. Chrome OS is a better OS for most non-tech jobs. The browser is the operating system for most people, and Chrome is leading in that. They won on mobile as well with Android. Google Workspace, in my opinion, is much better than Microsoft. It's their outdated search bringing everything else down it seems.

Google Docs is not anywhere close to as powerful or as performant as Microsoft Office. I don’t really see how someone familiar with both forward suites could think that is the case.

Pretty much the only notable advantage MSO for my use is excel, which is better for "advanced" spreadsheet workloads. For collaborative work and 99% of documents and spreadsheets, Google docs is the superior option.

I haven't opened a MS product in years and my life is better for it. Their Mac product lineup is particularly lackluster.

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Post by jiggawatts »

2h wrote: post #672
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> AWS or Azure I was recently in the market for a basic VPS, and Azure is absolutely awful for this use. The most bloated complicated signup and setup process I have experienced in a long time. Google was tolerable. Of the three amazon lightsail was the best, but even that loses to something like digital ocean

I often see products optimise for the "get-started-quick" part, which is often 0.1% of the total experience. For example, reviews of operating systems often focus more than 50% of the content on the upgrade or installation process, even though that's actually a rare operation.

Azure focuses on Microsoft's large enterprise customers. They want guard rails, separation of responsibilities, policy, compliance controls, etc...

Nothing to do with the process required to get 1 VM up and running from scratch, including signing up. Their bread & butter customers have enterprise agreements in place already for Office and Windows licensing!

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Post by nunez »

somsak2 wrote: post #457
jrockway wrote: post #452

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Is GCP really a failure? I think the product is OK and they seem to have some big customers. They're maybe #3 in the space, but you can make a lot of money without being #1. Yes, we all hate their support structure (it goes through SADA), but the price is right. At my last company with 4 engineers we were paying AWS ~$1000/month for support. At my current company back when we had a cloud service on GCP, we got weekly…

I'd call being half of Azure's market share today a failure. Hell, they were better-positioned than Amazon to offer an AWS-like product when AWS itself came out.

Not so sure about that. Their infrastructure is highly customized down to the PCB. They were designed in-house for Google's workloads, AFAIK.

Did Amazon have the same constraints?

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Post by KingOfCoders »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #139
KingOfCoders wrote: post #108

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"That's locally maximizing shareholder return" As shareholders jump from ship to ship, there is nothing beyond short term shareholder return.

Many long term Apple investors view things differently.

"Many long term Apple investors view things differently."

Apple long term investors are a string of short term investors.

Of course there are people with a long term view or institutional investors who buy and keep their stock for years.

But most investors, if Apple stock drops enough will sell, and new investors will buy at the new level.

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Post by roncesvalles »

anotherman554 wrote: post #646
roncesvalles wrote: post #598

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The Bing search engine not the chatbot. Is there some v2 Bing search engine? A quick Bing search didn't reveal anything about it.

The Bing chatbot searches the web for you, it doesn't just spit out answers like ChatGPT. There's no clear distinction between the Chatbot and a search engine. I just asked it about something in today's news and it answered it and provided links to 6 news articles on that topic.

It's unfortunate that it requires logging in to Edge with your Microsoft account because I'm just not going to do that. I don't sign in to browsers.

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Post by jhatax »

roncesvalles wrote: post #599
mhermher wrote: post #512

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Maybe my queries are not difficult enough. Do you have an example?

Ok here's one: "why did capote and vidal hate each other"

Answer from the Bing Chat feature (no edits):

Truman Capote and Gore Vidal were two American writers who had a long-standing feud with each other. The feud began when Capote wrote an article for Esquire magazine in which he claimed that Vidal had been thrown out of the White House after making a pass at a member of President Kennedy's family². Vidal took Capote to court for libel, where the two traded insults². After the pair settled out of court, their feud continued – even outliving Capote².

I hope that helps!

Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/17/2023(1) The A-Z of Gore Vidal | Gore Vidal | The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/01/the-a-z-gore-v... Accessed 4/17/2023. (2) Why Did Gore Vidal and William Buckley Hate Each Other? - Daily Beast. https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-did-gore-vidal-and-william... Accessed 4/17/2023. (3) Feud sensation! Why Vargas Llosa thumped Márquez. https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2007/mar/13/feud... Accessed 4/17/2023. (4) A life in feuds: how Gore Vidal gripped a nation - The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/aug/14/gore-vidal-gri... Accessed 4/17/2023. (5) ‘Just a couple of fags’: Truman Capote, Gore Vidal, and celebrity feud. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2015.1... Accessed 4/17/2023. (6) Truman Capote’s unhappy ending | PBS NewsHour. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/truman-capotes-unhappy-e... Accessed 4/17/2023.

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Post by piyush_soni »

h4ch1 wrote: post #404
mattnewton wrote: post #243

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That’s more because it was a bet on the wrong horse. If you know how to install Firefox you probably know what search engine you are using and how to switch the default search engine.

Isn't installing Firefox the same as installing any other browser?

I think Firefox users have now reduced to geeks and some 'real FOSS' enthusiasts etc. I still use Firefox as my primary browser, but I haven't seen any non-tech person installing it for a long time now. They all just search for Chrome and download, install that. So in today's times if someone's installing Firefox I'd say they'd mostly know their way around.

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Post by jfoster »

titzer wrote: post #546
jfoster wrote: post #248

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What you mean is that you don't want a search engine that guesses wrong. If you happen to get a search engine that is correctly giving you the right result every time because it happens to know what you want, I am guessing you will not have a problem with that.

Have you ever told someone to "just Google it?" Well, repeatable results are the underlying expectation broken by over-personalization.

Results are already different based on your location, so unless you're very near each other, you already don't have that. You mightn't notice it too much because it's only noticeable on queries where it might matter. Could be similar for personalization.

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

bflesch wrote: post #247
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #137

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What do you think Joe Sixpack runs on his computer these days? There are tons of people out there who do nothing but browse websites and use the "apps" as provided on those sites. They have no use for native Windows apps nor all the extra baggage that comes with it.

That's a stupid over-generalization. There's always one shitty app you need for some weird use case which is not in the official stores. And to rule that out 100% by purchasing a chromebook is a hassle people don't want to worry about.

ChromeOS runs mobile apps from the Play Store, and Linux in a container.
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