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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by snotrockets »

bdavisx wrote: post #218
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Go isn't replacement for C++, and no one can handle C++.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Zigurd »

KoftaBob wrote: post #563
Zigurd wrote: post #89

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How is that different from everything after Google Search. Alphabet is even structured around the idea of not being able to pick winners. I can discern some long term strategy in Android Automotive and Waymo, but nothing is sacred when it comes to cutting off products that are not growing.

It's one thing to say that Sundar hasn't led Google to innovate much in his tenure (I agree there), but to say Google hasn't picked any winners since Google Search? - Gmail (largest email service at 1.5B users) - YouTube (by far the biggest video sharing platform) - Android (most used operating system in the world by number of devices) - Google Maps (maps service with the largest userbase) - YouTube TV - The whole Go…

What I mean by "not picking winners" is that Google admits they can't foresee, for example, the acquisition of YouTube turning into a first-tier social network. Just like they could not foresee Orkut and G+ not becoming successful social networks.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

UberFly wrote: post #550
amluto wrote: post #384

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Google has spent the last 10 years ago making Google worse. They achieved this in large part by making the whole Internet worse [0], but a search engine with results of the quality of Google 10 years ago would be a serious competitor. [0] For example, Google used to have a fairly strictly enforced rule that indexable content had to actually be visible to an unauthenticated user. The current crop of sites that have ap…

They really feel like they've reached a 'Microsoft of the late 90s' phase.

I'm afraid we're not there yet.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by mrkramer »

potatolicious wrote: post #534
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

This is a pet topic of mine to think about - so my (probably over-long) two cents below... For context, I worked at Google for ~4 years, and have also been at two other FAANGs, as well as done time at VC-funded startups. I'd like to think I have a good gamut of experiences to compare against both in the realm of smaller companies and massive megacorps. Google's problems are (from most severe IMO to least severe): - P…

>Google has poor product strategy overall. The company tends to swing for a lot of home-runs but structures these endeavors poorly.

I wouldn't say so; I mean they like to experiment a lot but their product strategy is good in the long term e.g. Google Search, Google Mail, Google Maps, YouTube, Google Chrome, Android etc. If 5 experiments fail and 1 succeeds and brings billions of dollars in revenue that's win in their book and in my book too.

Basically what Google is doing is building its family of apps to capture more attention and sell more ads. The same thing Facebook does with its family of apps e.g. Facebook, Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp. The goal is to capture as much attention as they can and then sell ads because that's what their business model is all about. Zuck even tried to acquire Twitter back in the day plus Snapchat as well. I doubt he liked the products or the people behind it, he just wanted to get rid of competition which was stealing attention or screen time from his family of apps. The same thing is with Google, that's why they are constantly pushing new apps and services (to gain market share and user attention and then to push ads).

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Xeamek »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #576
rchaud wrote: post #440

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Newspapers print their errata though. Does ChatGPT ever admit to making a mistake?

All the time, but only when prompted. You have to have a conversation with it and provide more detail which exposes the flaws in its previous answers, then it will happily apologize for its mistakes. (For me, this usually looks like me pasting an error message that its code caused.) I really hope they find a way to have it apply context from future conversations such that when it learns the error of its ways it email…

But it doesn't learn its error, that's the whole problem. It only responds to 'accusations' from user in the most common way, which is 'apologies-like'.

The weight of phrases like "you are wrong" is in fact so strong, that it fools the chatGPT to apologize for its 'mistakes' even in the scenarios where its text was obviously correct - like telling it 2+2 doesn't equal 4

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Post by tomcam »

A gentle reminder that there is no proof of the “Google in shock“ assertion. The fact that an anonymous source maybe claimed it to someone at the New York Times has essentially zero credibility.

Until an attributed source at Google says something like “we were shocked“ or “we were gobsmacked, etc.“ that’s all just third-hand information reported fourth-hand.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

Xeamek wrote: post #595
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #576

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All the time, but only when prompted. You have to have a conversation with it and provide more detail which exposes the flaws in its previous answers, then it will happily apologize for its mistakes. (For me, this usually looks like me pasting an error message that its code caused.) I really hope they find a way to have it apply context from future conversations such that when it learns the error of its ways it email…

But it doesn't learn its error, that's the whole problem. It only responds to 'accusations' from user in the most common way, which is 'apologies-like'. The weight of phrases like "you are wrong" is in fact so strong, that it fools the chatGPT to apologize for its 'mistakes' even in the scenarios where its text was obviously correct - like telling it 2+2 doesn't equal 4

Well yeah, it's an imperfect tool, and you have to treat it as such. Probably there's a lot to be discovered about how to use it most effectively. I just don't find that it's more problematic than the other tools in my box.

Sure, grep has never flat out lied to me the way chatGPT does, but it's a statistical model, not a co-worker, so I don't feel betrayed, I just feel... cautioned. It keeps you on your toes, which isn't such a bad state to be in.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by roncesvalles »

anotherman554 wrote: post #497
roncesvalles wrote: post #486

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>If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. Every day I enter a few difficult queries on both Google and Bing to see if Bing gives me something better. I'm still laughing that people think Bing is a serious threat.

Are you comparing Google to the "new A.I. powered Bing, only in Microsoft edge" or to the normal Bing search engine?

The Bing search engine not the chatbot. Is there some v2 Bing search engine? A quick Bing search didn't reveal anything about it.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by roncesvalles »

mhermher wrote: post #512
roncesvalles wrote: post #486

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>If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. Every day I enter a few difficult queries on both Google and Bing to see if Bing gives me something better. I'm still laughing that people think Bing is a serious threat.

Maybe my queries are not difficult enough. Do you have an example?

Ok here's one: "why did capote and vidal hate each other"

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rafark »

impulser_ wrote: post #561
hrunt wrote: post #135

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> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

Did ChatGPT even make Bing a threat? Bing has only 10m+ downloads on Android. Not even a top 200 app. Samsung switch too Bing will hurt Samsung more than Google.

“Only has 10 million downloads” wow
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