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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by DangitBobby »

somsak2 wrote: post #457
jrockway wrote: post #452

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Is GCP really a failure? I think the product is OK and they seem to have some big customers. They're maybe #3 in the space, but you can make a lot of money without being #1. Yes, we all hate their support structure (it goes through SADA), but the price is right. At my last company with 4 engineers we were paying AWS ~$1000/month for support. At my current company back when we had a cloud service on GCP, we got weekly…

I'd call being half of Azure's market share today a failure. Hell, they were better-positioned than Amazon to offer an AWS-like product when AWS itself came out.

Companies think they are simplifying things by using Azure since they already rely so heavily on MS software. That's pretty much the only reason Azure is more popular. GCP is a far better platform.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by livueta »

Spivak wrote: post #653
CactusOnFire wrote: post #604

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When google sends me to a website, I can at least judge the credibility of a website. When ChatGPT tells me something, I have no idea if it's paraphrasing information gathered from Encyclopedia Britannica, or from a hollow-earther forum.

Which is why you use one of the AI search engines that makes it cite its sources. phind.com has been incredibly good for me.

This is a real question, so I apologize if it comes off as sophistry:

Is the work of judging the accuracy of a summary not just the work of comprehending the non-summarized field?

For example, a summary could be completely correct and cite its facts exhaustively. Say you're asking about available operating systems: it tells you a bunch of true info about Windows and OSX, but doesn't mention the existence of Linux. Without familiarity with the territory, wouldn't verifying the factuality of each reference still leave you with an incomplete picture?

At a slightly more practical level, do you actually save any time if you've gotta fully verify the sources? I assume you're doing more than just making sure the link doesn't 404, as citing a link that doesn't say what it is made out to be isn't exactly a new problem, but at that point we're mighty close to the traditional experience of running through a SERP.

Finally, even if you're reading all the links in detail, isn't that still a situation prone to automation bias? There's a lot of examples of cases where humans are supposed to check machine output, but if it's usually good enough the checkers fall into a pattern of trusting it too much and skipping work. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I think I'd eventually get less gung-ho about verifying sources and eventually do myself a mischief.

I'm asking because I've been underwhelmed by my own attempts at using LMs for search tasks, so maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by robotnikman »

dehrmann wrote: post #666
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

That used to be the case almost a decade ago, but everything is the past 5 years has been good in terms of user experience and little bloat.

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Post by marcosdumay »

init2null wrote: post #527
sho_hn wrote: post #464

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There's another side to that medal: At the moment nobody takes any issue with OpenAI doing filtering and curation in deciding what is part of their training data set, aside from perhaps the anti-bias crowd. "AI neutrality" is not yet a topic. Yet.

I've already seen that several times with image generation. Most recently was an article commenting on how the American smile was polluting generated photos. People can't decide what they want. Do they want licensed, curated commercial photos in the database or do they want search engine style neutrality? You really can't have both.

> People can't decide what they want.

You mean, so that you can satisfy everybody at the same time?

No, sorry, the world doesn't work this way.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

creatonez wrote: post #656
balls187 wrote: post #82

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I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

So what changed? Why didn't they before? In the past Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, etc. have frequently gotten outbidded by Google for similar deals.

Google's offers to Android OEMs often mix search revenue, app store revenue, and ad revenue... a tying nightmare. Google is now under significantly increased scrutiny for how they manage these deals, they've gotten in trouble for destroying evidence and will now have even more incriminating evidence for future arrangements... it's a great time to press Google for a better deal because their hands are tied.

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Post by thebytefairy »

Rastonbury wrote: post #425
matheusmoreira wrote: post #388

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Is this really about AI and ChatGPT? Google search just sucks now. I actually get better results from Bing and Duck Duck Go. > then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop With their inferior products? Not a chance. Google's apps are so far away from even competing with Microsoft's it's not even funny. Google Sheets doesn't even have proper tables. I wouldn't even be surprised if…

The fact that big corps have moved to Gsuite always surprises me and credit to Google salespeople. But they will never meaningfully breach Office, people at Microsoft fight tooth and nail when renewals are up and Google is in the picture

As someone who's worked at both gsuite and office shops, I would pick gsuite every time. After the first place where I used gsuite I used to try to figure out which I'd have to use before applying somewhere new.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #500
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I think you're both right. Change comes from above and reflects from below. "We hire the best" has become "we hire the best at passing a generic set of tests" because they want hiring to be a thoughtless, automated process.

I have been there and seen the destruction (all meetings were about political correctness, we weren't able to discuss anything that was really important). The best are / were there before they quit to create companies, like OpenAI because it was easier than changing management. Also I bet Sam Altman would be able to reverse a binary tree (it's a trivial recursion) even if he was never at Google: it's just part of bei…

FAANG really only asks how to mirror a binary tree in interviews?

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Post by trafficante »

mgkimsal wrote: post #291
maleldil wrote: post #90

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That's how you create bubbles.

part of the issue with 'bubbles', as I see it, is that you don't know you're in a bubble. a big huge honking option of "keep me in the bubble" and "show results outside my bubble" would make it a lot more obvious (and manageable) to many people who are oblivious to the notion that they live in an information bubble. won't stop people who only use one source of news, but in a search aspect, it would be useful.

Interestingly, Google themselves seem to be at least somewhat aware of this - though it may just be an accidental side effect of trying to drive user engagement on YouTube.

I’ve been noticing an occasional “Show me something new to me” prompt showing up in my YT feed. It has literally never provided anything I was interested in watching, but I appreciate that they’re trying to burst bubbles.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #492
Sai_ wrote: post #472

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Apple may not consider any other default search engine only in the absence of a search engine other than google offering a pot of money to be the default search engine.

so without a default search engine what happens when you type some words in the address bar like every user has been trained to do?

The first time, you're presented with a prompt to choose your default search engine.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dehrmann wrote: post #666
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

> This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up True, but Samsung isn't known for user-friendly phones, and they often come with a lot of bloat. At some point, it drives more and more users to Pixel.

They can go ahead and put an extra gig of basic apps on there as long as they keep making models with microsd slots.
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