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The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

slashdev wrote: post #102
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #67

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I understand you are excited about this truck. I just want to highlight that aside from the paint thing most of this applies to a Rivian or a Ford F-150 lightning. I am not really sure the "no body that gets easily dented" is true - time will tell how durable the body is. But I am not arguing with you about your preferences. I am saying that for the broad base of consumers, most of these needs (except no paint) can b…

Yes, I’d be surprised if it outsells the electric F150. That being said, I would obviously rather have the cybertruck. Time will tell if it was a good business decision or not for Tesla. I think they’ll do alright though, and nothing stops them from bringing out a more traditional truck later as well.

Nothing stops them from coming out with a more traditional truck later except that it clearly takes them many years to ship a new model, and all the while customers who want a truck now or don't want a cybertruck are going to competitors.

Of course at this point they are committed to release. But I agree with others that releasing a more traditional truck would have been more savvy.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by recursive »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #25
slashdev wrote: post #21

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The number of cybertruck reservations say otherwise. It’s riskier, yes, but might payoff. I wouldn’t buy a normal truck, but a cybertruck is my dream vehicle. I’d rather own that than anything else, even if money was no object. And I’m far from a Tesla fanboy.

>> I wouldn’t buy a normal truck, but a cybertruck is my dream vehicle. Honest question. What is it that makes it your dream vehicle?

I reserved one because it looks different from anything else.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by matthewdgreen »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #51
matthewdgreen wrote: post #40

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The Model Y has a very conventional style, so the fact that it sells well would seem to be a point in favor of the GP’s argument. It also sells in many continents, which Cybertruck might not be able to do.

Consider Tesla did not copy existing manufacturers. They built their own markets (S->X->3->Y). People complain online loudly about the touchscreen, quality, but I'll be damned, these units get moved regardless (well on our way to almost 3M/year [1]). For example, Harley can't woo younger riders to the brand because their attempt to acquire them turns off older Harley fans who are slowly dying out. Tesla doesn't have…

> Consider Tesla did not copy existing manufacturers.

I own a Model 3 and was considering a BMW 3-series (non-EV) briefly before I bought the Tesla. While shopping I was surprised to notice how closely the price of Model 3 option packages tracked the BMW equivalent packages, almost within a few dollars (although the Tesla had fewer packages.) It seemed obvious to me that Tesla had done this on purpose, in an effort to carefully market the Model 3 towards an existing successful market. Similarly, the crossover they came out with next was named the “Model Y” and seemed almost perfectly tuned to compete with some of BMW’s popular X-line of crossover SUVs, again an existing market that could easily be optimized against. So while I would not use the word “copy”: it sure seemed like Tesla was carefully targeting existing markets, with slightly more flashy vehicles and similar price points — all with enormous success! The Cybertruck, on the other hand, throws this successful and cautious strategy into the garbage and then backs over it.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by dingosity »

nashashmi wrote: post #29
threeseed wrote: post #13

Tesla needs to fire Musk, abandon the childish and already dated Cybertruck and just build a normal truck/SUV. One that can compete with popular offerings from Rivian, Ford etc. and soon to be Porsche, RangeRover etc. And that can be easily sold globally unlike Cybertruck which has concerns from Australian regulators (and likely others) about whether it would be street legal given its unique sharp metal corners at ch…

Musk behavior is significantly weighing the stock down. I saw Tesla early on as a slam dunk investment. But at a certain point when everyone began to see them this way (vain hope!), I had serious doubt they could deliver. And 10 years later, I realize anyone else with industrial experience could have done a better job of delivering cars than Musk could. We are giving this guy more credit than he deserves. There have…

And at the end of the month, Elon's got to sell another chunk to fund the Twitter debt payment. But I'm sure he's playing 11th dimension chess and knows what he's doing. I'm sure when he doesn't have cheap debt to do a stock buy-back TSLA will go up instead of down.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by slashdev »

gamblor956 wrote: post #105
slashdev wrote: post #93

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Unless I’m mistaken, there’s quite a difference between the cybertruck glass and regular auto glass. It doesn’t exist yet, so it’s possible that could change, but it’s also not marketing drivel.

You're mistaken. Cybertruck glass is just premium auto glass. It would have taken years to certify an entire different kind of glass for automotive purposes.

It remains to be seen what it ships with, but you can add films and coatings to the glass to make it much more resistant. I don’t think that would affect certification, although I could be wrong.

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Post by xracy »

bottlepalm wrote: post #58
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #16

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It doesn’t matter. You can’t buy it. This is like reading developers say, “We’re almost done!” and you’ve only now pushed to the test environment. No QA, no UAT, nothing. If it’s not in production, it doesn’t exist.

I see so a vaporware product and a product with immense resources going into it, but not yet released are equal in your eyes. You remind me of the people who laughed about reusable rockets, starlink, private crew, and every tesla model. They laugh right up to the point it is released, and then they move the goal posts to the next product.

Speaking of moving goalposts...

What about the hyperloop? Was supposed to be a vacuum-sealed tube with driverless pods that go 600 mph. -> tunnel with driverless cars that go 60mph -> tunnel with driver cars that go 30 mph... for a bit... until they hit traffic.

Edit: How do you feel about the California High-Speed-Rail Project?

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by clouddrover »

slashdev wrote: post #115
gamblor956 wrote: post #105

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You're mistaken. Cybertruck glass is just premium auto glass. It would have taken years to certify an entire different kind of glass for automotive purposes.

It remains to be seen what it ships with, but you can add films and coatings to the glass to make it much more resistant. I don’t think that would affect certification, although I could be wrong.

You're not wrong, you've been suckered by advertising. Watch the video.

The water is there, horse. Drink it.

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Post by dingosity »

bottlepalm wrote: post #82
rimunroe wrote: post #76

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The defining feature of vaporware is that the product gets announced and then either isn't released or isn't released for a very long time. The term has nothing to do with the amount of resources being poured into it. One of the most famous examples of vaporware was the game Duke Nukem Forever, which started development in 1996, was announced in 1997, and wasn't released until 2011. I believe it was in nearly continu…

I guess you have to use your own common sense to determine if a product is moving forward or not. DNF is a great example of something that obviously was not moving forward. CyberTruck obviously is.

In what way is the cybertruck moving forward? You still can't buy one and if you put money down on one, you're still not getting your cybertruck.

Reminds me of my Starlink experience: pay $100 to get on the waiting list, wait a while, pay an additional $500 to get the downlink terminal, wait, wait some more, try to figure out who I know who still works at SpaceX because there's no support contact info for people who have paid for a terminal but haven't gotten anything, send emails to about 10 people inside SpaceX until someone responds with an offer to refund $450, then take the offer, then wait for the refund, and wait for the refund and finally get the refund 3 months later. So I'm only out $150 from trying to subscribe to Starlink.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by dingosity »

bottlepalm wrote: post #77
threeseed wrote: post #68

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And how about Solar City, Boring Company, Twitter. Musk doesn't exactly have a perfect track record.

I can't hear you over all the things being accomplished https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5QXreqOrTA

All those poop and doge emojis make a ruckus.
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