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Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by felistoria »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #53
asynchronous wrote: post #34

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Yeah if it didn’t already have a ridiculous number of reservations proving you wrong you might have a point.

The reservations were $99 and refundable, so I don’t think they prove that much.

InsideEVs just released an article this morning about how many people plan on following through with their reservations. According to the study done by Recurrent Auto, about 75% plan on sticking with their reservation. That's a lot of trucks to sell with the 1.5 million reservations.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

rimunroe wrote: post #76
bottlepalm wrote: post #58

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I see so a vaporware product and a product with immense resources going into it, but not yet released are equal in your eyes. You remind me of the people who laughed about reusable rockets, starlink, private crew, and every tesla model. They laugh right up to the point it is released, and then they move the goal posts to the next product.

The defining feature of vaporware is that the product gets announced and then either isn't released or isn't released for a very long time. The term has nothing to do with the amount of resources being poured into it. One of the most famous examples of vaporware was the game Duke Nukem Forever, which started development in 1996, was announced in 1997, and wasn't released until 2011. I believe it was in nearly continu…

I guess you have to use your own common sense to determine if a product is moving forward or not. DNF is a great example of something that obviously was not moving forward. CyberTruck obviously is.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

crazygringo wrote: post #80
bottlepalm wrote: post #73

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Tesla doesn't waste their time on crap like that. It's why they barely have anyone working in marketing or PR in the first place. The video was made from actual test footage, super quick, and they kicked it out.

...you think a real crash test would have a bunch of random people behind a window looking shocked like that? There's nothing more staged. Obviously yes this was put out by marketing. And again, you are completely ignoring April fools . The intention is for the viewer to be in on the joke... I mean, it's pretty funny. It's excellent marketing. Just don't confuse it for the real thing.

It's a group of people bracing for a loud impact..

You're kind of embarrassing yourself here imagining that Tesla 'staged' a run of the mill crash test.

Especially when I also posted a video of auto industry experts analyzing it as well.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by toomuchtodo »

philwelch wrote: post #78
toomuchtodo wrote: post #51

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Consider Tesla did not copy existing manufacturers. They built their own markets (S->X->3->Y). People complain online loudly about the touchscreen, quality, but I'll be damned, these units get moved regardless (well on our way to almost 3M/year [1]). For example, Harley can't woo younger riders to the brand because their attempt to acquire them turns off older Harley fans who are slowly dying out. Tesla doesn't have…

The original Tesla Roadster was based on a Lotus chassis, and the models after that weren’t major deviations from the norm (aside from maybe the gull wings, but even those have some design heritage). Elon was a car guy before Tesla—one of his first splurges when he got rich was a McLaren F1, which he infamously crashed with Peter Thiel in the passenger seat—and as a result, Tesla cars all seem reminiscent of European…

Agree, most people who buy trucks don’t use them as trucks. That’s the primary Cybertruck market. Most of life is status and signaling. Sell what people want.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz...

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by adfgadfhionio »

slashdev wrote: post #30
at-fates-hands wrote: post #25

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>> I wouldn’t buy a normal truck, but a cybertruck is my dream vehicle. Honest question. What is it that makes it your dream vehicle?

Large, extremely safe, no paint to maintain, no body that gets easily dented, impact resistant glass, electric, high performance, long range, great torque and acceleration, can haul stuff, can fit a family, can be used in a pinch for power, and looks awesome. And maybe the self driving stuff will turn out to be useful too. Too soon to say. Electric vehicles are coming much more slowly where I am and they cost 1.5-2x…

Let me start off by saying that it's silly to discuss the design of a vehicle that does not exist. All anyone has seen so far is a scale model. I'm not sure it's even developed enough to call a concept. We might as well discuss whether it's better to ride a unicorn or a griffon.

>Large, extremely safe

So engineered to kill everyone except the driver. Big, heavy cars are safe only because they flatten the other party in a crash. The Cybertruck will be even worse than your average murdermobile because, as an EV, it will be unusually heavy.

And it gets worse:

>no body that gets easily dented

Cars don't have squishy bodywork by accident. Flexible, easily-dented bodywork is a safety feature. The front end of a car is designed to crumple to minimize acceleration.

Well, everyone knows about crumple zones. Clearly cars need to crumple at highway speeds, but the driver is in no danger in a parking lot. However, it is crucial that this happen even for minor collisions. Any collision with a pedestrian is a minor collision from the perspective of the car but catastrophic from the perspective of the pedestrian. The hood, bumpers, and panels must flex and dent even in a fender bender if they are to protect a pedestrian at 20 miles an hour.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by lesuorac »

bottlepalm wrote: post #73
crazygringo wrote: post #69

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Of course I do. It's called marketing. It's a relatively cheap commercial to make, and the fact that it went viral proves it was a good use of budget. Setting up fake scenarios is basically every TV commercial ever. That doesn't make them conspiracies. Also it was April 1. It was a joke video, get it?

Tesla doesn't waste their time on crap like that. It's why they barely have anyone working in marketing or PR in the first place. The video was made from actual test footage, super quick, and they kicked it out.

I think you should put down the kool-aid.

Tesla's Autopilot page [1] still has a video demonstrating it's self-driving capabilities but the video is actually a composite of videos taken over numerous runs because the car hit objects and ran off the road during some of them which does not make for good marketing material. (previous discussion [2]).

[1]: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33910962

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by operatingthetan »

bottlepalm wrote: post #73
crazygringo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course I do. It's called marketing. It's a relatively cheap commercial to make, and the fact that it went viral proves it was a good use of budget. Setting up fake scenarios is basically every TV commercial ever. That doesn't make them conspiracies. Also it was April 1. It was a joke video, get it?

Tesla doesn't waste their time on crap like that. It's why they barely have anyone working in marketing or PR in the first place. The video was made from actual test footage, super quick, and they kicked it out.

Are you serious? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-kajBcyew

Staging performers to act like fake robots on stage for a vaporware project doesn't strike you as exactly what you're talking about?

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by bottlepalm »

lesuorac wrote: post #87
bottlepalm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla doesn't waste their time on crap like that. It's why they barely have anyone working in marketing or PR in the first place. The video was made from actual test footage, super quick, and they kicked it out.

I think you should put down the kool-aid. Tesla's Autopilot page [1] still has a video demonstrating it's self-driving capabilities but the video is actually a composite of videos taken over numerous runs because the car hit objects and ran off the road during some of them which does not make for good marketing material. (previous discussion [2]). [1]: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com…

I said they don't do much marketing, and that's barely a marketing video, just some dash cam footage.

Re: The Cybertruck is years behind schedule, so Tesla is launching a $30 beer

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Post by slashdev »

klyrs wrote: post #54
slashdev wrote: post #30

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Large, extremely safe, no paint to maintain, no body that gets easily dented, impact resistant glass, electric, high performance, long range, great torque and acceleration, can haul stuff, can fit a family, can be used in a pinch for power, and looks awesome. And maybe the self driving stuff will turn out to be useful too. Too soon to say. Electric vehicles are coming much more slowly where I am and they cost 1.5-2x…

I've owned cars for almost 30 years and I have never once "maintained" my paint. Where do you live that this is a thing?

I envy you. My new car is only months old and I’m already having to pay to pop out dents and touch up paint. Careless people parking next to me.
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