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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by DrThunder »

amaccuish wrote: post #537
DrThunder wrote: post #116

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You haven't been in a business environment then. Almost all of the users whine about having to use Google's Web Apps and prefer the desktop version of 365. Microsoft absolutely dominates in the enterprise environment. We have both, just because department will not use the Google Apps. They'll accept Gmail but that's it.

And as an an Admin, GMail is awful. Microsoft knows what admins need and give them to tools to do it. There is so much that can't be configured with GMail, and they don't even provide a proper cmd tool like Microsoft does with their powershell modules. The only option is "GAM", a third party not supported by Google project [0]. Another example, the default routing rules page in the admin console defaults to only show…

Yeah I agree. You shouldn't have to use 3rd party tools to administer Google Workspaces. I find myself using Advanced-GAM and BetterCloud far too often.

I'm trying to talk my boss into dumping Gmail and switching to Outlook. It's such a waste running 365 and Google.

I've specifically been using Azure as my "source of truth" because I think it's more likely we'll dump Google than we'll ever dump things like on-prem AD or Azure.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by siquick »

Kye wrote: post #273
robotresearcher wrote: post #242

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How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

Citations! I never trust Bing Chat's answer. The links usually quickly tell you if the answer is hallucinated. Basically: treat it as a search engine, not an answer engine. Follow the links like you would on any other search engine. Those links will still be more relevant.

Phind gives you citations and even let’s you ignore certain sources.

https://www.phind.com/

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rmbyrro »

MattGaiser wrote: post #250
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

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I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

How are you dealing with it just manufacturing answers it does not readily have? Or is that pretty much the same as SEO spam and easy to filter out?

GPT4 is much better at it. So far, I haven't seen it hallucinate. GPT3 hallucinates terribly, but not that often, and it's fairly predictable in what kinds of questions it's more inclined to hallucinate.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Kye »

siquick wrote: post #632
Kye wrote: post #273

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Citations! I never trust Bing Chat's answer. The links usually quickly tell you if the answer is hallucinated. Basically: treat it as a search engine, not an answer engine. Follow the links like you would on any other search engine. Those links will still be more relevant.

Phind gives you citations and even let’s you ignore certain sources. https://www.phind.com/

Not any use to me (not a developer), but it's cool there are niche search engines for stuff like this.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Macha »

layer8 wrote: post #568
Macha wrote: post #525

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What would a Google office for desktop do that the current Google docs doesn't? Even MS is moving office to being cloud based, so it's not clear business users value local document availability that much - rather the opposite, I've worked in places that like cloud services because locking out their data from a disgruntled or departed employee is one button away.

There are worlds of difference between MS Office and Google Docs in terms of features and abilities. There’s actually a risk for MS to lose their edge by moving to the cloud with a reduced feature set.

Would Google Docs have more features if they had to maintain more platforms? I'd expect the opposite.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

revelio wrote: post #584
MichaelZuo wrote: post #559

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> but it was very hard because there's no way to say "maybe we can't hire more people without becoming less elite" in a way that sounds non-asshole-ish.' Hmm this sounds like the concern was badly communicated because this phrasing is both unnecessary and not quite correct either. (since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources)…

>> since it is possible to keep recruiting to a very high standard even during exponential growth via spending exponentially more resources Since when? You're assuming the pool of employees available to recruit is infinite which is clearly not true.

It's clearly larger then 1 million worldwide, which is what matters to a company of Google's size.

It will breakdown if the company wants to run multiple Manhattan Projects simultaneously, but anything short of that is technically possible.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by saulpw »

theonemind wrote: post #414
Tempest1981 wrote: post #378

How are people pronouncing "Magi"? Same as GIF?

Do you mean are people going both ways? I don’t think gif is settled. I’m in the soft G camp on gif. I think magi is already an English word with soft G, so I don’t know if there’s any room for controversy on this one.

The gif debate is over, it's pronounced like gin or git.

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Post by berniedurfee »

retrocryptid wrote: post #613
ipaddr wrote: post #580

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Musk was on the air this week talking about how the current AI is biased on the left as he promotes his new AI company

It's always nice to hear Mr. Musk has not given up his cannabis habit.

…or maybe he has!

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by kccqzy »

taylodl wrote: post #446
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Google's whole raison d'être was internet computing - computing at scales never before seen. Think "BigFiles" and the original Google search. They were able to leverage that technology in creating AdSense, which is their huge money-maker. Google's challenge has been finding ways to monetize their internet compute technologies. But now that it's 25 years later and more and more people have internet-scale computing ava…

Increasingly people don't need this kind of special sauce to run a big Internet service. Everything that's challenging has been outsourced to public clouds. Just pay more and those special sauce comes to you.

Admittedly Google still has some special sauce left, but in my opinion those special sauce only improves efficiency; it doesn't enable one to do something that's impossible otherwise. (I've been reading about some public research reports about Google's special sauce: they range from special user space networking to new congestion control to custom TPUs etc.)

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