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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by TchoBeer »

CydeWeys wrote: post #232
jwestbury wrote: post #197

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Taking another approach: Google is proof that having great engineering doesn't matter without competent business leadership. For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel -- they both have incredibly talented businesspeople with long-term focus and a focus on delivering real value, rather than pursuing the latest fad passion project.

> For all their failures, this is where Amazon and Microsoft excel Amazon isn't doing all that well recently, though (check $AMZN). And I'd argue that the product design on their biggest product, the e-commerce bit, is terrible. I know so many people, me included, who no longer buy entire categories of goods on Amazon because you simply can't trust the quality/authenticity of the goods anymore.

Amazon's biggest money maker is AWS, so even if the storefront is slowing down in growth they're still doing fine.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by stanac »

cruano wrote: post #253
robotresearcher wrote: post #242

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How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

> its willingness to make up facts makes me leary I see you haven't met humans

We can downvote human comments and proposed solution (on stack overflow, hn, etc...) and also I don't expect colleagues to lied to me when I ask them about a feature or how to do xyz in a language or library or framework.

Bing, IIRC, has a way to provide feedback, not sure how useful it is for today's users and if it will be able to solve hallucinations one day.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Kye »

robotresearcher wrote: post #242
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

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I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

Citations! I never trust Bing Chat's answer. The links usually quickly tell you if the answer is hallucinated. Basically: treat it as a search engine, not an answer engine. Follow the links like you would on any other search engine. Those links will still be more relevant.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by jzb »

hbn wrote: post #210
AlexandrB wrote: post #145

Microsoft is a shark and they smell blood in the water right now. While I hate their products, I have to admire their decision making. For example, I think they see the threat that SteamDeck poses (Linux gaming becoming feasible) and are already working to head it off at the pass: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/handheld-mode-for-wi...

I'm not sure that's a great example of quick-pivot defensive decision-making on Microsoft's part. It was just a leaked slide deck of a hackathon project done by a few employees. If the project actually gets greenlit and shipped, that's another thing.

Microsoft has often been good at the Vaporware / stall approach. If a competitor/underdog looks like they're getting traction, announce something similar even if it isn't available for a long time (or ever). If you can stall adoption for a few quarters you can catch up to or kill a competing product. Sigh.

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Post by ur-whale »

nus07 wrote: post #53
tapoxi wrote: post #3

What's Sundar's goal for Google? They seem to be aimless since he took the helm.

Sundar is a McKinsey consultant who is very pleasant and agreeable and can keep a boat steady while maximizing shareholder return. Unfortunately there isn’t much innovation happening . Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character back at the helm.

> Sundar is a McKinsey consultant who is very pleasant and agreeable and can keep a boat steady

Yep. In fact, he was specifically chose to step in as CEO for his meekness : voted most likely to preserve brand value by best distracting folks from the evil turn the company had taken.

> while maximizing shareholder return.

Nope. He's a 100% static CEO, and he's therefore squandering huge amounts of capital and human resources.

That's not what I'd call "maximizing shareholder return".

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by godshatter »

jfoster wrote: post #248
godshatter wrote: post #219

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People are different, I get it, but I don't want a search engine that tries to second guess me all the time. If I'm a programmer and I'm interested in the actual animal, I don't want to have to fight against the product. I'd much rather use my knowledge to craft my queries intelligently so that I get exactly what I want. But then when it comes to technology, I'm a bit of a control freak.

What you mean is that you don't want a search engine that guesses wrong. If you happen to get a search engine that is correctly giving you the right result every time because it happens to know what you want, I am guessing you will not have a problem with that.

I would have a problem with that, because for a search engine to know me well enough to know what I actually want despite what I typed in it would have to know a lot of information about me I wouldn't trust the company behind it with.

I spend most of my browsing time in a browser configured to clear cookies, cache, and history on exit.

I'm not sure why most people are okay with companies gathering tons of data about them and trying to use it to manipulate them into buying products they don't actually want or need (among other uses), but I'm not one of them.

Now if I could only get a search engine to not ignore query terms because it thinks it knows what I want better than I do, I'd be even happier.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by TchoBeer »

unloco wrote: post #63
Zigurd wrote: post #47

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Desktop market share moves very slowly. A 1% shift per year is a big move last I looked. ChromeOS is doing about as well as possible gaining share.

ChromeOS is only in the market because they have cheap laptops that schools bought up. And not a single student I know would ever use one outside of school.

cornering the market on educational computers is nothing to sneeze at.

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Post by zirgs »

phpnode wrote: post #12
kramerger wrote: post #7

Wait, people actually use the android search box? It's usually the first thing I remove

Normal people just use the defaults, the idea of choosing a web browser or changing the default search engine is completely alien to most.

You can't even change the browser on iOS. Apple forces all browsers to use the same rendering engine under the hood.

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Post by Dalewyn »

maleldil wrote: post #90
mattw2121 wrote: post #40

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I strongly disagree. I would love for a search engine to, intelligently, cater the results based on my previous search history and patterns.

That's how you create bubbles.

"Everyone should get the same search results." is really just rightspeak for "Everyone should be in my bubble."

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Post by penjelly »

xnx wrote: post #261
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

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I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

90-95% of your searches don't require information more recent than September 2021?

in my exp. bing even hallucinates the sources. I use chatgpt and bing side by side instead of the average google, then resort to google with those both fail.

i find chatgpt 3.5 answers better than bing. Also ive had bing end conversion with me on more than one occasion without saying anything offensive

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