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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by lenkite »

FredPret wrote: post #101
Vespasian wrote: post #21

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I understand your concern and share some of them. However the solution to overreaching unaccountable private cooperations cannot be to hand all the power to another private unaccountable company. Apple is venturing into advertising and that'll tempt them to weaken privacy protections sooner or later. Additionally their app store rules went far beyond enforcing security and privacy. They gave themselves an advantage a…

I have a tiny measure of power over Apple. I can decide not to buy their products or their stock. But I have zero power over the EU. And yet they're legislating what my iPhone is going to work like. Talk about unaccountable. The free market did not deliver competing app stores because that is not a problem for the majority of users and is in fact a huge boon for most.

I am very confused. Is someone forcing you to deliberately side-load apps ? If nobody is forcing you to do this, why do you want to force others to only use the App store ?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by HeckFeck »

Spivak wrote: post #395
waboremo wrote: post #317

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>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?

That and the fact that it isn't being sold to other companies (from what I know of their privacy policy) and can be disabled if you wish.

I don't blindly trust any company, but from what I can tell Apple makes their money from services and hardware. Someone else in this thread has indicated that advertisers are frustrated because they cannot access Apple user data. They recently implemented E2E for all iCloud data. It looks a better offering than trusting every aspect of my online life with a company who makes their $$$ from adverts and data mining.

While I'd love to use a PinePhone running OpenBSD for my mobile needs, having the ability to message my friends is nice. As are online services that Just Work, and if they make their money from me paying and not from selling my data, then we can be content.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by layer8 »

wmf wrote: post #102
jmull wrote: post #93

Having "side loading" -- also known as regular app installation on non-phone platforms -- hasn't caused chaos on desktop platforms or android. No reason to think it will on iOS either.

A company can get taken down by a .pdf.scr file on Windows.

And iOS could by an iMessage [0]. OS bugs are OS bugs. On Windows, non-administrator accounts and GPO restrictions are the way to go, in an enterprise environment.

[0] https://citizenlab.ca/2021/09/forcedentry-nso-group-imessage...

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by lenkite »

r053bud wrote: post #226
andsoitis wrote: post #138

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> I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Apple is a saint?

From reading through this thread, it sounds like most people think they are

Apple's reality distortion field never really faded. Any Action taken by Apple Is Absolutely Righteous. Even if the very same action taken by another company would make them Absolutely Evil. The cognitive dissonance is truly amazing.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by jacooper »

mort96 wrote: post #135
jacooper wrote: post #134

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It probably wont succeed, the play store still exists for a reason.

Fortnite seems plenty popular.

Still it didn't kill the play store did it? No body is forcing you to install it.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by paulddraper »

Spivak wrote: post #395
waboremo wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?

:)

what a hill to die on

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by layer8 »

Retric wrote: post #15
29083011397778 wrote: post #11

> Historically, Apple execs including Tim Cook and Craig Federighi have staunchly opposed sideloading citing privacy and security reasons. Which is funny to me, because after flipping through the App Store for an email client, I found, on this heavily curated storefront, a single digit number of apps I would trust with my email credentials. Android, with it's option to "sideload" F-Droid, gives me dramatically more o…

Apps you trust is a really poor security mechanism for the general public. The Apple App Store is a dumpster fire, but there is a perfectly reasonable argument for locking down a device you’re handing to family members who aren’t security conscious.

I’m sure you’ll still be able to do so with MDM using Configurator.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by [deleted] »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #310
jraph wrote: post #295

Many people here are afraid of being able to install apps on iOS from somewhere else than the Apple store because then Facebook will be able to be fully evil on iOS. A relationship without trust and with fear of evil actions is called a toxic relationship. If you don't trust Facebook, don't install it. Even from the app store. There is no world in which you need the app. First, if you use Facebook because of the netw…

For most of the world outside US/Canada, WhatsApp is as mandatory as SMS or Phone Calls.

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by HDThoreaun »

mort96 wrote: post #118
sergiotapia wrote: post #90

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None of this affects you whatsoever. Just don't use a sideloaded apps. I don't see why this would bother you in any way. Personally if Apple finally allows me to install whatever I want on my phones then I may return to their phones. Until then, I will use Android since I can download and install any .apk I want on my device.

> None of this affects you whatsoever. Just don't use a sideloaded apps. I don't see why this would bother you in any way. That's unfortunately wrong. Say you use WhatsApp to keep in touch with your friends. Say Facebook pulls WhatsApp from the app store and makes it only available via side-loading. What do you do? You have to decide between trying to move everyone you know off of WhatsApp, or you side-load.

Facebook isn't pulling any of their apps from the App Store. That's just baseless fear mongering.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by trallnag »

tristor wrote: post #323

I have mixed feelings about this. I'm exactly the type of person who used to jailbreak my iPhone to run Cydia, and I used to build my own custom Android ROMs and spend hours on XDA-Developers before that. Now though, I appreciate how locked down iPhones are, and I keep it as locked down via Apple Configurator as possible, because the mobile web and mobile application space are fraught with peril. The vast majority of…

Do you wrap yourself with tinfoil at night to prevent your neighbors Android from scanning your thoughts?
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