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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by lykahb »

I find the term sideloading problematic. It carries the bias that the "correct" way is to install apps from the centralized app store. The term conveys that this is an alternative and undesirable thing to do.

The concern of malware is legitimate, but having a centralized approved store is a weak barrier anyway. The iOS has a solid system of permissions and sandboxing that should take care of that. A more drastic change is that tgere are no technical means to impose UI that conforms to the Apple standards or enforce that the app payments go through the Apple payment system.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by [deleted] »

1over137 wrote: post #51
Spivak wrote: post #34

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Software isn't fungible and right now today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android. If FB pulls from the app store that choice is taken away.

>today you have the ability to install facebook with app store restrictions on iOS and without on Android You have a third choice: don't install facebook at all.

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by webmobdev »

r053bud wrote: post #226
andsoitis wrote: post #138

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> I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Apple is a saint?

From reading through this thread, it sounds like most people think they are

That's why repetitive advertising is so effective - it starts to make you doubt reality.

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Post by rched »

kyriakos wrote: post #334
rched wrote: post #300

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How does blocking gambling, crypto, and adult content help their bottom line? Seems to me like these would be a lucrative source of income if they allowed them on the store. The risk to the average user is that an app they want is removed from the App Store and only available via sideloaidng.

Adult and Gambling have different compliance requirements with banks and payment processors, some outright don't allow dealing with these types of content/marketplaces (have a look at Stripe's T&C as an example). Apple and Google would rather not get into these markets than dealing with the legal complexities, this is the reason they are blocked. If they were doing it for the good of the users they would have just bl…

> Apple and Google would rather not get into these markets than dealing with the legal complexities, this is the reason they are blocked

I find this claim pretty suspect. What are you basing this on? I'm sure the extra income would be vastly more than the cost of dealing with legal complexities.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by webmobdev »

Silhouette wrote: post #20
TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

This seems like the wrong target. A better solution might be to break the monopoly control that platform operators like Apple and Google have and impose proper laws and regulations to fight abusive behaviours by app developers (and the platform operators, if necessary). Even if this set of changes is coming out of the EU and the chances of getting good tech regulation any time soon might not be high it's probably sti…

Exactly. Recently there was a big drama by the US where they summoned TikTok app's management to answer questions publicly in a Congressional hearing. International media were commenting how America is getting ready to ban TikTok because of privacy concerns that allegedly even allowed spying.

None of the major media in the USA even suggested that a strong data privacy act, and a general privacy regulation, could fix this for every app and be a better long-term solution.

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Post by scarface74 »

illiarian wrote: post #375
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #244

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The reality is simply that the EU is just not competitive in pretty much any of these industries. I'm actually struggling to think of any industry at all where EU has produced the market leaders.

> That’s the reason that it has such a thriving tech ecosystem. By "market leaders" you mean the very many American companies fuelled by unlimited investor money that lose billions of dollars a year with no chance of ever turning a profit?

Or maybe the top five most valuable tech companies - Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google.

Even if that’s the case, why aren’t investors willing to invest in EU tech companies at the same level?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by nightski »

FredPret wrote: post #159
nightski wrote: post #119

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They are doing no such thing. You don't have to use side loaded apps. If a company decides to only distribute from side loading, you can just not use their app. This is effectively what you are forcing on people who would prefer side loading, so it shouldn't be a problem for you.

I want a locked down phone. So does every old person in my life. I'll literally pay extra for a locked-down phone. If you want to side load, buy a phone that allows it, don't force Apple to make one.

Can you explain how this will compromise your ability to lock down your phone? Not only do you still have complete control over which apps you install, those that are installed are still subject to the same sandbox.

If you want only Apple "approved" apps, well you can still do that and you lose nothing. You can't really complain about side load only apps that aren't Apple approved then, because that is exactly what you want. But keep in mind this is orthogonal to the "locked down" level of your phone.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

yamtaddle wrote: post #337
kevviiinn wrote: post #326

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>amount spent per user on software and computer services is far lower for Android But why does that matter in this context

An alt-store stands to capture more value on iOS than Android, and spying on iOS users is probably a whole lot more lucrative than spying on Android users. That, combined with the App Store restricting spying more than the Play Store does, is why we can't necessarily expect the iOS ecosystem to behave the same way as Android's, were iOS to get similar side-loading capabilities. A common argument goes that nothing wil…

> An alt-store stands to capture more value on iOS than Android, and spying on iOS users is probably a whole lot more lucrative than spying on Android users.

How so?

I think American Apple users just don’t realise how insignificant Apple market share is outside the US.

Android was open from the start. Giant like Amazon tried to kickstart alt stores. What did happen? Nothing.

I think people should stop drinking Apple fear mongering. It’s just aggressive lobbying to protect their cash cow.

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