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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by bink »

bflesch wrote: post #245
that_guy_iain wrote: post #144

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O365 is really starting to get tons of traction even with the mid-sized companies.

M365 the far superior solution to many business problems. As a long-time paying gmail customer I'm also moving away. It looks like Google didn't improve UI in their admin menus for at least a decade.

Some people would pay extra to not have the UI change every couple of years. As someone who no longer regularly uses Windows it drives me nuts to try to find anything in their web apps or settings interfaces.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by bushbaba »

Sai_ wrote: post #472
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The frenemy status of Google-Samsung is once again on display. Samsung probably hasn't been happy with the Google's continued Pixel phone push :p But why is Google paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS devices? It seems a waste of money as Apple would be stupid to default to any other search engine given the lower search quality results. End users would notice if there was a result degradation and likel…

Apple may not consider any other default search engine only in the absence of a search engine other than google offering a pot of money to be the default search engine.

Or they’d ask users which search engine they’d prefer. Likely a non small amount would prefer chat-Bing just to try it out

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by AJ007 »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #410
hrunt wrote: post #135

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> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

People are acting like Bing has created some big market success and Samsung is running to them because the tech is better. But the alternative explanation is simple: vendors are always looking for reasons to (threaten to) put mediocre non-Google search as default on their products, so they can extract more money from search engine providers. Samsung sees the current hype around Bing/Google/AI as a convenient negotiat…

The users who pay attention to search quality aren't impacted by the default search option. They will just go back to Google or whatever alternative they wish.

The users who the default engine really locks in are the ones who just mostly click ads and have no idea they are ads. When they use Google they are mostly clicking ads anyways, so the search result quality will appear about the same with Bing. Maybe even better if there are fewer ads.

For Microsoft, getting more users on board means higher ad volume which brings more advertisers who are going to spend the time to manage Bing ad campaigns. You can bet they've done the calculations for how much money they can spend at what price. Ultimately that leads to higher monetization and then Microsoft can pay other companies (like Apple) to switch the default engine.

Google is a multi-trillion dollar attention tax that just sucks money from the global economy. They've been wildly mismanaged since Eric Schmidt's CEO tenure ended. It's been a long time coming, but the timer is running out of sand for Google fast. The revenue may take a long time to peak and decline but when they start missing their quarterly earnings it will be a bloodbath for Google's employees.

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Post by dvngnt_ »

gpt5 wrote: post #447
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> Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character These are not the same kind of character.

They are both highly opinionated founders who are not afraid to make unconventional choices on how to run a company.

I'd rather have a Jobs than Musk

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Post by makeitdouble »

rcme wrote: post #304
makeitdouble wrote: post #209

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That might have been true years ago. It's currently leagues ahead of any other OS outside of Windows and Mac. It's still limited and quirky, but pretty much covers the basic needs of "normal" people.

> It's currently leagues ahead of any other OS outside of Windows and Mac. Is ChromeOS really leagues ahead of Linux on the desktop? And other than Linux, how many other desktop OSes are there?

It heavily depends on what you do on linux, if you completely customized it to perfecfly fit your needs and only work with a stable set of programs, ChromeOS doesn't stand a chance.

For more "standard" users though, ChromeOS is very simple, has excelent touch support, battery management, a half baked but functional tablet mode, covers a lot of its ecosystem issues with the android subsytem, is fast to learn yet gives access to more power user features (including linux VMs). And it's of course very forgiving, as every regular apps are sandboxed. In that respect I see it succeeding where linux has been struggling for so long. TBH I was hoping Google made a decent iPad pro competitor based on ChromeOS, but I'm not holding my breath.

It's of course not perfect, far from it, but it's a pretty good computer experience IMHO. Linux has progressed a lot, but I still don't see the simplicity, versatility and forgiveness trio in a linux machine anytime soon.

On the other OSes, I didn't see it as desktop only, and iOS could have been a nice alternative, if Apple could have bothered (same for android and DEX). I actually think ChromeOS is a better choice than windows for light computer users, assuming Google doesn't throw the towel..

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Post by pmontra »

hrunt wrote: post #135
_fat_santa wrote: post #130

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They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

Maybe I'm using a different Bing because I access it through Duck Duck Go, but it doesn't seem better than Google. I often have to add a !g to technical searches because DDD doesn't return the right results. Google has them in the very first links. I'll try to use Bing directly.

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Post by xapata »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #444
matthewdgreen wrote: post #410

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People are acting like Bing has created some big market success and Samsung is running to them because the tech is better. But the alternative explanation is simple: vendors are always looking for reasons to (threaten to) put mediocre non-Google search as default on their products, so they can extract more money from search engine providers. Samsung sees the current hype around Bing/Google/AI as a convenient negotiat…

I think the problem is Google is also pretty crummy. Ai is in a golden age without poisoned data right now. But wait until Bing gets popular and blackhat seo types start poisoning chatgpt. It will stop being useful, and I suspect in a way that will be unfixable since these language models are so hard to wrangle.

> without poisoned data right now

It already seems poisoned to me. It's popularity over correctness, because LLMs don't know semantics.

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Post by xapata »

robotresearcher wrote: post #242
rmbyrro wrote: post #176

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I was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...

How do you manage the hallucination problems, or do you not seem to be having them? I’m blown away by the competence of the language model but its willingness to make up facts makes me leary.

> leary

Leary is a rare variant spelling of leery.

I mention this, because you seem to care about correctness.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by imperialdrive »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #491

I don't know how Bing is any better. I tried Bing today and the results are awful! The search results page is very bloated and there's too much going on everywhere. Too much irrelevant information. What surprises me is that they managed to make content look like ads, irrelevant and noisy. Comparing the screens to Brave Search, I'm surprised how good Brave Search is. Not only are the results much better, but the UI is…

Yah, it is really hard to imagine Bing cleaning itself up. No way users don't backlash on Samsung the moment they notice the gunky search results. And holy smokes, Teams, it's falling apart every new release. Once users have enough of that experience they're really going to wonder why they dove in head first.
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