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Post by foobiekr »

Palpatineli wrote: post #148
tapoxi wrote: post #3

What's Sundar's goal for Google? They seem to be aimless since he took the helm.

Especially compared to Nadella, who shows that someone not from the the founders’ circle, a corporate ladder climber, can lead an IT company with great vision too.

Microsoft dealt with with the too-rich-to-work problem and the founders-and-earlies-lost-interest problems in the 80s and 90s. "FYIFV" (despite being a bit of a tech urban legend) and "Quietly Vesting Disease" (QVD) and all that. They're an actual grown up company that knows how to build and vet leaders.

Google is not a grown up company - it runs the way a 2nd generation dynastic family runs their businesses - haphazard and sloppy and entirely surviving because of a cash cow and nothing else. Plus, they have a fairly substantial crew with "rest and vest" as a mantra at least for the folks I knew there prior to 2008..

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

scarface74 wrote: post #224
that_guy_iain wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google docs/etc are totally eating into Microsoft Office's market share. I can't remember the last company I was at where they expected us to use Microsoft office products. But we used Google docs,sheets,etc constantly.

It’s really not that hard to find data on GSuite vs Office market share that isn’t anecdotal https://www.saasgenius.com/blog/why-office-365-is-overtaking...

The only "data" I see there is a couple survey results from 2016.

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Post by thrashh »

strgcmc wrote: post #434
eldavido wrote: post #370

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I think there's something to this. Another perspective might be Apple vs Intel, where one of my friends worked (at both) in fairly senior roles 5+ years. The problem is that companies get really good at solving yesterday's problems. In Intel's case, that was making great CPUs for desktop PCs and servers. I have no doubt that the absolute pinnacle of desktop PC CPU engineering, was done at Intel in the last ~10 years.…

Riffing on this: another aspect of how business-life is harder for Google is, who actually is the customer? For Amazon (at least in the classic retail sense), the customer is clear and obvious: the person buying a thing from your website, who wants good-selection, cheap and fast/delivered to their door. It's relatively easy to orient your entire company around the question of: "but is this actually good for The Custo…

Bell Labs and like we’re throwing money at a wall too without a clear customer and yet they still invented the transistor, the PC, digital video cameras and so on.

Wtf is Google doing? They don’t make good products and they don’t invent that much useful stuff. They’re like the rich kid with a bunch of money trying random different things without focusing on one thing to get good at it.

I’m sure at this point Google is just a system to finally pay engineers a lot of money so they can retire earlier. Everyone that I’ve ever known that wants to work for Google is doing it to cash out, myself included.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #292
bfrog wrote: post #160

Too busy asking people to invert binary trees and not looking for people that know how to make products that make money.

Actually if you have been really looking at Google's management, just the opposite has happened. Eric Schmidt, who is an exceptionally rare talent understanding engineering, business and politics at the same time was changed to a person who just want to show more ads (the product that makes money) with 0 engineering background.

I think you're both right. Change comes from above and reflects from below. "We hire the best" has become "we hire the best at passing a generic set of tests" because they want hiring to be a thoughtless, automated process.

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Post by roncesvalles »

hrunt wrote: post #135
_fat_santa wrote: post #130

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They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone…

> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.

>If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed.

Every day I enter a few difficult queries on both Google and Bing to see if Bing gives me something better. I'm still laughing that people think Bing is a serious threat.

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Post by thisarticle »

xiphias2 wrote: post #292
bfrog wrote: post #160

Too busy asking people to invert binary trees and not looking for people that know how to make products that make money.

Actually if you have been really looking at Google's management, just the opposite has happened. Eric Schmidt, who is an exceptionally rare talent understanding engineering, business and politics at the same time was changed to a person who just want to show more ads (the product that makes money) with 0 engineering background.

And it’s disgusting, the amount of ads on YouTube now is gross. I recently wasn’t logged in and saw how many ads I had to watch to see a minute long video. I wouldn’t use the service if it wasn’t for YouTube Premium.

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Post by hbn »

qwertox wrote: post #303
htag wrote: post #289

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> But now, with the AI integration, even when I tried it and left disappointed, Bing is starting to sound interesting. When I try a new feature, and am disappointed, I think marketing overhyped it and lose interest. Why do you think ChatGPT + Search is a good combo, even after you were disappointed when trying it?

They are showing that they have a strong interest in including it. Sure, it still isn't where I'd like it to be, but what does Google have to offer? Bard is US-only, so not reachable for me, I don't even know how or if it is integrated into Google Search. They'd have a bigger potential in enriching their search with AI features, better search, probably a better AI. At least from what they have been publishing during…

> What ChatGPT lacks are links to related websites. For example, give me a links to the documentation of the `.into()` trait [0] instead of "only" explaining it to me.

In the recent announcement for plugins they showed off a web browsing plugin that allows ChatGPT to search the web, read content, and return results with sources cited.

https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-plugins#browsing

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Post by jamespo »

pjmlp wrote: post #354
makeitdouble wrote: post #185

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Chrome OS deals decently with local file. This is the same way Chrome deals with local stuff anywhere else. I think people underestimate what ChromeOS can do by a lot. There's the android subsytem coming with it, along with an optional linux subsystem, so all in all it covers a lot of ground. That said, it's still limited a lot by Google not going the full length and having half baked support for a lot of things. Acc…

Android and Crostini are only on some flagship devices. And even in those, the lilliput SSD sizes make them hardly workable versus w regular laptop for the same price range.

That's not accurate, my device a Lenovo Chromebook S345 supports linux containers & android apps and is absolutely not a flagship. You'd struggle to run windows on a similarly priced laptop (cost me £150 a year ago).

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Post by scarface74 »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #482
scarface74 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really not that hard to find data on GSuite vs Office market share that isn’t anecdotal https://www.saasgenius.com/blog/why-office-365-is-overtaking...

The only "data" I see there is a couple survey results from 2016.

Major enterprises are not going to GSuite.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-move...

> Google grew its share of the productivity software market to 10.3% in 2020, according to research from Gartner, taking about 2% from Microsoft. Microsoft is still the clear leader however, with 89.2%. Overall, the productivity software suite market grew 18.2% during 2020.

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