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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by jron »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

Stop installing "evil apps" and stop believing Apple actually cares about you. Cheering for a corporation to control what you can and can't install on your phone is gross.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by op00to »

onli wrote: post #227
op00to wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between the Play store and the Apple App store is that the Play store doesn't even pretend to protect against apps that do underhanded, unexpected, and intrusive things. There are numerous stories of iOS apps being pulled out of the store for using private APIs to bypass this or that protection.

That's not true. The Play store absolutely promises such protection, and Google adds more protection measures every year. The Android system even warns you when you install apps from other sources. Also see the related https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853?hl=en .

Running a "safety check" is not the same thing as the (admittedly opaque) Apple App Store review process. Based on the challenges developers have had with Apple getting certain apps approved, the Apple App Store review process is significantly more involved than Google's.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by andrekandre »

FredPret wrote: post #159
nightski wrote: post #119

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They are doing no such thing. You don't have to use side loaded apps. If a company decides to only distribute from side loading, you can just not use their app. This is effectively what you are forcing on people who would prefer side loading, so it shouldn't be a problem for you.

I want a locked down phone. So does every old person in my life. I'll literally pay extra for a locked-down phone. If you want to side load, buy a phone that allows it, don't force Apple to make one.

  > I'll literally pay extra for a locked-down phone.
would you prefer a mac or pc to be so as well?

if not, why just lockdown phones and not pcs?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by GeekyBear »

rickdeckard wrote: post #237
GeekyBear wrote: post #207

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> Apple is venturing into advertising It's not the advertising part that is problematic. It's the part where you relentlessly spy on everyone to make selling ads more profitable.

Meta is collecting data from people using its products to create targeting-models for advertisement. An Advertiser can then buy ads targeting a specific audience. Companies really want the individual user-information to cut out Meta, but Meta is not sharing it to the advertiser, they have to go through Meta to reach their audience based on Personas they curate. Now Apple owns the underlying Hardware and tracks usage…

> Meta is collecting data from people using its products to create targeting-models for advertisement.

Meta has been creating shadow profiles of people who don't even use their products for over a decade now.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/11/17225482/facebook-shadow-...

Google, literally, buys a copy of everyone's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your bank account and not just your online activities.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no...

You can sell ads without constantly spying on everyone. Glossy Magazines, Newspapers, Radio, and Television managed to do so for many decades.

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

Why are you dreading it?

It's not like Facebook can force you to sideload apps on your phone.

If you don't want sideloaded apps, don't sideload them...

The amount of people that try to make choice and freedom seem dystopian amazes me.

Oh, no, others have a choice I disagree with! The end is nigh!

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Post by TingPing »

vsareto wrote: post #247
mort96 wrote: post #123

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What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

As dumb as it sounds, I'd buy a second phone for side loading things if I needed to use enough of those apps. Before side loading on my personal phone, I'd want enough real world time to pass to make sure it's not easy to find vulnerabilities that lead to a complete compromise by side loading (they will be found, but it needs to be "zero-click text message for root" levels of rarity).

They are still going to be sandboxes, regular permissioned, apps. Nothing changes for most apps except they get a 100% cut of in-app sales.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by rickdeckard »

GeekyBear wrote: post #236
evilduck wrote: post #122

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> Apple is venturing into advertising Why is this a worry right now and not 12-13 years ago when they started venturing into advertising with iAd?

Because iAd was designed to preserve user privacy? >A new report on Advertising Age has revealed what advertisers think of Apple's arrogance when it comes to its mobile advertising platform and its tight grip on user data. This attitude towards its ad business turns off advertisers and makes them turn elsewhere, perhaps other avenues such as Google, Yahoo, or Facebook that make life a lot easier for them. "One person…

Exactly this. When Apple tried "Premium Advertising" without sharing any Personas 10 years ago, it failed as it was expensive and didn't allow targeted marketing.

In the meantime Meta learnt that they can't allow others to extract their precious userdata and need to protect their position by clustering data into Personas for advertisers to select from.

Now Apple reenters the ad-business, using the very same scheme as Google/Meta (maintaining Personas based on userdata they safeguard) but with an unprecedented set of profiling data of its users, as they collect data on the Apple-ID level, spanning from positioning data over types of apps used and stocks you're watching to actual purchases in the physical world.

If people consider Meta/Google's practice as spying, I don't know what they expect Apple's Ads to be. Their T&C already describe that they create a persona from your data to display "Ads relevant to you", just like Meta/Google does...

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Post by josephcsible »

op00to wrote: post #252
onli wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. The Play store absolutely promises such protection, and Google adds more protection measures every year. The Android system even warns you when you install apps from other sources. Also see the related https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853?hl=en .

Running a "safety check" is not the same thing as the (admittedly opaque) Apple App Store review process. Based on the challenges developers have had with Apple getting certain apps approved, the Apple App Store review process is significantly more involved than Google's.

Is your argument that because Apple's review process has a lot of false positives, that it must be good? Consider a "review" process that consists of rolling two dice, and rejecting the app if you rolled snake eyes.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

GeekyBear wrote: post #224
andsoitis wrote: post #208

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Only Apple sells iPhones, so I wouldn’t worry about preinstalled 3rd party apps with root permissions like we see on Android phones.

Only Facebook makes the Facebook app, and I find it extremely easy to imagine a Facebook app that can only be sideloaded, so that Facebook can bypass the restrictions put in place by the App Store. For instance, Apps are currently not allowed to degrade functionality if the user says no to a permissions request (e.g. location tracking).

I don't use the Facebook app. I hardly ever use FB, anyway (I am an admin on a user group for an OSS project I authored), but their app is a well-known nightmare.

I use their Web interface, which, I suspect, they deliberately cripple, in order to try forcing me to use their app.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by prox »

yamtaddle wrote: post #238
tgv wrote: post #217

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iOS users spend more than Android users, and are even becoming the majority in the US. Here's some citation: https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-...

Spend more, and use their devices a lot more , both Web and Apps. At least, last time I looked at market research data like this, which was admittedly 4-5 years ago.

As someone used Android and Apple co-currently, this is it. Android apps I supported (camera and photo apps, some music) all went down in some form and were gone in some time. Furthermore, the quality was always lower than any iOS counterparts.

Apple apps almost never have these problems and are higher quality.

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