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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by mrcode007 »

nightski wrote: post #119
FredPret wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a tiny measure of power over Apple. I can decide not to buy their products or their stock. But I have zero power over the EU. And yet they're legislating what my iPhone is going to work like. Talk about unaccountable. The free market did not deliver competing app stores because that is not a problem for the majority of users and is in fact a huge boon for most.

They are doing no such thing. You don't have to use side loaded apps. If a company decides to only distribute from side loading, you can just not use their app. This is effectively what you are forcing on people who would prefer side loading, so it shouldn't be a problem for you.

This will be the biggest future exploit vector.

“Your phone is infected. Click here to load our antivirus”

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by josephcsible »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

Why is everyone so worried that Facebook, etc. will pull out of the App Store and require sideloading on iOS just because it'll be possible, when they haven't pulled out of the Play Store or required sideloading on Android where that's already been possible all along?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by throwaway290 »

35208654 wrote: post #121

It seems like everyone in these discussions sees only two worlds: lawless hellscape of intrusive, data-stealing apps that permit freedom or “walled garden” of good apps that restrict it and users’ freedom. The truth, as always, is already somewhere in between. And it will be after iOS 17. Let’s see how Apple innovates in this space. It’s time. The iPhone is 16 years old this year. Time to users get behind the wheel i…

My nightmare scenario is if every country and mobile reseller will come up with their own app store, and pre-load/make users use those. Once Apple gave in, they will press further to make this happen.

These stores would onboard Facebook and other big apps, but regular solo dev will have to submit each app to a dozen of different stores and comply with a dozen of different requirements and review processes or pass on user share to some local dev who copies the idea quickly enough.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by jacooper »

mort96 wrote: post #123
FloatArtifact wrote: post #86

Having the power to choose side load is a net benefit. For those that have any sort of fear, they simply just get apps from the official store. Could and will people be taking advantage of by side loaded apps? The obvious answer is yes, it's a risk that allows for responsibility and freedom.

What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

It probably wont succeed, the play store still exists for a reason.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by mort96 »

jacooper wrote: post #134
mort96 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

It probably wont succeed, the play store still exists for a reason.

Fortnite seems plenty popular.

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Post by musictubes »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #71
scarface74 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Points 1 and 2 don’t really make sense (ie doesn’t really make a point at all). What exactly are you saying? > their policy about 30% cut on anything sold through apps. Sorry, but that's just going too far Only things digital items. 80% of all App Store revenue comes from in app purchases of loot boxes and pay to win games (according to the Epic trial). > their charging policies (meaning what their devices allow for…

What I got from the comment was that the overall intention and push behind sideloading, both by the community and what the EU mandates, is to not be bound by Apple's policies for appmaking, not just to use your own distribution infrastructure.

As far as I can tell the main use case for side loading that people are making inevitably boils down to piracy. Emulators, torrents, cracked software. 95% of the talk about “freedom” on Android revolves around Vanced and other kinds of piracy.

I’m glad to see people talking about alternative browsers for PWAs (yuck) and open source projects but I am thoroughly cynical about the motivations of the vast majority of people advocating for side loading on iOS. I worry that this ability to pirate like you can on Android will result in degradation in app quality in the App Store.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by andsoitis »

TexanFeller wrote: post #10

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

> I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching.

Apple is a saint?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by wackget »

mort96 wrote: post #123
FloatArtifact wrote: post #86

Having the power to choose side load is a net benefit. For those that have any sort of fear, they simply just get apps from the official store. Could and will people be taking advantage of by side loaded apps? The obvious answer is yes, it's a risk that allows for responsibility and freedom.

What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

Are you implying that allowing companies the choice to go sideload-only is a bad thing?
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