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'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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> this is what we will get 10x with free college That seems quite different. First, lots of countries have free higher education and seem to do just fine. Second, lowering price of entry is orthogonal to lowering expected performance. Your argument does not apply.

Every free college country sends less of their people through college than the US. Is that the outcome we want? Fewer educated?

looking at how things are going, why would you want more educated people?

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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> this is what we will get 10x with free college That seems quite different. First, lots of countries have free higher education and seem to do just fine. Second, lowering price of entry is orthogonal to lowering expected performance. Your argument does not apply.

Every free college country sends less of their people through college than the US. Is that the outcome we want? Fewer educated?

Maybe? The idea that "more formal education is better" is kind of silly when you dig into it. What value does it give society to have a huge percentage of people spend some of their most important years learning things which are completely perpendicular to whatever career they might do?

Education at this point feels like exploitation. We tell people that they can achieve greatness, they just have to pay huge amounts to a college to be educated, when the truth is that most of the value of college is networking and status signalling, and the value of those is pretty much directly related to how prestigious the institution is.

Yes, we should set up a system that allows all people, whatever their background, to pursue a liberal arts education if they're passionate about it. But a system that makes a pretty useless and very expensive degree a barrier for entry for completely unrelated jobs is just exploitative.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is what we will get 10x with free college That seems quite different. First, lots of countries have free higher education and seem to do just fine. Second, lowering price of entry is orthogonal to lowering expected performance. Your argument does not apply.

Every free college country sends less of their people through college than the US. Is that the outcome we want? Fewer educated?

Do you mean per-capita or over all? Because a very few countries with a bigger number of populations than US have free-education. If the former, can you provide a data source?

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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> The district had bragged that algebra failure rates had dropped. Families for San Francisco, a parent group, analyzed the data: Failure rates dropped after the district dropped the end-of-course exam That’s the worst part. It just shows either complete ignorance and incompetence or deception. “Look how failure rates have decreased. We all deserve a bonus!” They knew exactly what they were doing if they went about b…

"When failure is outlawed, only outlaws will be failures."

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

#337

What's the problem? I remember at the beginning of each school year they gave us math textbooks for the year. I took me a week to read it all and do all the exercises. Today there is internet, Wikipedia, youtube, everything is so much easier.

The problem is, you're bored the rest of the year and become disruptive in class. Been there, done that.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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> in the name of equity That's the problem. We're dealing with the critical theory definition of equity, which they define as the intentional redistribution of opportunity and resources along identity group lines to correct for present and historical injustices, as well as opportunities those groups have already had. Critical theory and social justice adopts a distorted view of reality. Leave it to a school in San Fr…

Inequality is increased because those without resources aren’t receiving any new benefits and those with resources use those resources to compensate for the failure of the system to provide an education optimal path. It’s worse outcomes for both, except some people can shield themselves from the fallout. What new kind of self-inflicted damage will be required to realize the detrimental failure of this world view?

So you figure people should give even more resources, and their children's futures, over to these people who actively hate them and just hope things will work out, despite all evidence to the contrary?

My obligation is to my children. I'm happy to entrust them to a system if I have faith in it, or the people running it. If I don't...it would be downright irresponsible.

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

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It must suck to be poor but not belong to any one the correct identity groups nowadays. I am lucky I was born way before that, or I would never have be able to leave poverty.

Maybe the trick is to remove poverty, it's not hard to do

Sarcasm?

Re: 'Algebra for none' fails in San Francisco

#340

Dumbing education down in the name of democracy is the best way possible to promote authoritarianism. Guarantee a uniformly uneducated populace with a small exception for the children of the rich and elite.

Aye, 'tis a Brave New World. Here, have some soma.
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