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A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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>"Fauxghee" is one of the best puns ever. Except for the fact that the pun only works if you mispronounce "ghee".

I bet most of us do mispronounce ghee.

At this point it’s not a mispronunciation. Words often drift from their origin pronunciation when entering other cultures. Now it’s just a different pronunciation not a wrong one.

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The difference is right there in those IPA renderings. The superscript h means the g should be aspirated (like the k typically is in 'key' in English; also 'spin' vs 'pin'). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant You might not hear the difference as the English language does not assign meaning to that difference. But if I pronounce 'key' or 'pin' without aspiration, you may feel that I speak with an ac…

I read the Wikipedia article, listened to some of the sounds and I still don't get it. I don't hear or "feel" a difference between the "p" in "pin" and "spin", except in "spin" the "p" sound is sort of "concatenated" to the "s" sound with no transition. In the "[tân] / [tʰân]" Chinese example, to me the "unaspirated t" is indistinguishable from a "d" sound. Maybe English speakers are "blind" to the aspirated / unaspi…

Like I said, you might not hear the difference as the English language does not assign meaning to that difference.

A physical experiment you can try from the Wikipedia article:

> to feel or see the difference between aspirated and unaspirated sounds, one can put a hand or a lit candle in front of one's mouth, and say spin [spɪn] and then pin [pʰɪn]. One should either feel a puff of air or see a flicker of the candle flame with pin that one does not get with spin.

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There is at least 1 state that allows human composting. You're turned into compost upon death, and then can be used in any number of ways your relatives see fit (or that you dictate in your will).

Which happens to be the same state as the authors, Washington. https://recompose.life/2022/movement-to-change-state-funeral... The current states are WA, CA, CO, OR, and VT.

The Full Vermonty podcast had an episode recently with a death doula and talked about some of the options in VT. It was worth a listen if you're interested in some of the options outside of the routine.

https://www.thefullvermonty.com/episodes/tfv47

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This parody is a brilliant take-down of the so-called FAT framework for making sure algorithms, including those powered by AI, are ethical. ("FAT" stands for making algorithms Fair, Accountable, and Transparent.) The authors show how FAT and other similar frameworks would fail to prevent the proposed launch of a new automated service for manufacturing different varieties of high-nutrient slurries: > Elderly volunteer…

GPT-4 doesn’t get the humor: “The paper aims to apply the Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency (FAT) framework to this algorithmic system to ensure better ethical outcomes. However, given the nature of the proposed solution, researchers and practitioners should consider alternative approaches that respect the dignity of elderly individuals and maintain a more ethical stance when addressing food security and pop…

In the name of one company's idea of "safety", AI models probably gimp out a lot of what would make the humourous subtext understandable in the first place. In the future, the only people remaining employed will be those with the rare and unique talent to subvert elite sensibilities.

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The difference is right there in those IPA renderings. The superscript h means the g should be aspirated (like the k typically is in 'key' in English; also 'spin' vs 'pin'). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant You might not hear the difference as the English language does not assign meaning to that difference. But if I pronounce 'key' or 'pin' without aspiration, you may feel that I speak with an ac…

spin, bin, and pin rhyme to me an a native English speaker. Are you sure westerners say ghee “wrong” and not just with a different accent?

This has nothing to do with those words rhyming: your examples rhyme because they all end with -in, but we are concerned with the sound in front of that.

Also, the point in this subthread is not how you should pronounce the word in English. The point is that English speakers (or most other people in the world for that matter) cannot pronounce the word the way it's pronounced in the regions where ghee and its name is originally from.

Trying to sum it up: different languages have different sounds and you may not be able to hear and/or pronounce the differences. Your sibling comment mentions the English lice-rice distinction which is difficult to some Japanese/Chinese natives. Is saying 'lice' when you mean 'rice' just a different accent?

Going further, people don't observe these details of how they speak their own language and thus cannot reflect or explain to others. Quoting Wikipedia again:

> Native speakers of a given language perceive one phoneme in the language as a single distinctive sound and are "both unaware of and even shocked by" the allophone variations that are used to pronounce single phonemes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allophone

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> Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person It actually doesn't, at least the way "ghee" is pronounced in the native languages where the word originates from. English doesn't quite have the strongly voiced "g" sound, so western people pronounce it incorrectly as "gee".

I’m not sure which it’s supposed to be, per this reading. Is it similar to the “g” as used in “great” or as in “refrigerator” or as in “cough” (or a different sound which I didn’t think of)? This particular American read it initially as in “great”, for what it’s worth. From other comments it sounds like that’s intended if it’s supposed to sound like “fogey”.

That's just it — it's none of those!

Off the top of my head, the only American English sound I can think of that'd come close would be the Americanized pronunciation of "Ghent," as demonstrated in this random YouTube video I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meuBUq3K3XY

So take the "Gh" sound from "Ghent" in that video, and then tack on a long e — and there's your ghee.

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Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fogey Faux is imitation Ghee is a type of clarified butter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee

> Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person It actually doesn't, at least the way "ghee" is pronounced in the native languages where the word originates from. English doesn't quite have the strongly voiced "g" sound, so western people pronounce it incorrectly as "gee".

It’s pronounced /gi/ in English. Pronunciation in other languages is irrelevant.

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2019. Hasn't spawned a billion dollar startup yet. There must be something wrong with the idea, or it'd have been commercialized by now.

I think this topic shifted from the realm of Satirical hypothesis into the real world about six months after is was published.

Yes. It's called the "acceptable losses" approach to COVID.[1]

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/28/covid-who-i...

[2] https://philadelphiaweekly.com/as-the-cdc-removes-mandates-w...

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