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A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by dgoodell »

alex_smart wrote: post #38
politelemon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fogey Faux is imitation Ghee is a type of clarified butter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee

> Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person It actually doesn't, at least the way "ghee" is pronounced in the native languages where the word originates from. English doesn't quite have the strongly voiced "g" sound, so western people pronounce it incorrectly as "gee".

I just looked up a youtube video of the pronunciation in Hindi and g is pronounced basically the same way as I say it in northeast Ohio, which is generally pretty close to standard American english.

Then I looked up the ipa standard pronunciations for both from wiktionary:

enPR: gē, IPA(key): /ɡiː/ (South Asia) IPA(key): [ɡʱiː]

Perhaps it’s just you?

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by aziaziazi »

Seriously, I’d love to be recycled one way or another. If a process like this happen to be legal somewhere I’ll probably volunteer to be part of it. I wonder how many thought about it, as when discussed openly the conversations tend to go to joking.

From a safety POV we already eat processed food made from leftovers of fishes that eat chickens (leftovers) that eat porcs (leftovers)… or the other way around.

From a moral consumer POV I would definitely enjoy more a food (plant or animal) feed from another human rests than feed from another livestock slavery facility.

From a “consumed” POV, I won’t care less.

I get there’s a lot of people with beliefs that think they can’t accept that. I may be downvoted for that : some decades ago, _a lot_ of people had the belief they “can’t live in a society with same sex mariage”.

I respect the convictions of others as long as they don’t tell me what to do or not, especially when I’ll be dead.

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

cs702 wrote: post #24

This parody is a brilliant take-down of the so-called FAT framework for making sure algorithms, including those powered by AI, are ethical. ("FAT" stands for making algorithms Fair, Accountable, and Transparent.) The authors show how FAT and other similar frameworks would fail to prevent the proposed launch of a new automated service for manufacturing different varieties of high-nutrient slurries: > Elderly volunteer…

> Elderly volunteers (or "mulchees") are provided with generous payments for their families

Seriously, I think there would be a lot of volunteers. There's already a high rate of suicide among the elderly. https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-021-00160-1

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by tuukkah »

dgoodell wrote: post #51
alex_smart wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fauxghee sounds like "fogey" which refers to an older person It actually doesn't, at least the way "ghee" is pronounced in the native languages where the word originates from. English doesn't quite have the strongly voiced "g" sound, so western people pronounce it incorrectly as "gee".

I just looked up a youtube video of the pronunciation in Hindi and g is pronounced basically the same way as I say it in northeast Ohio, which is generally pretty close to standard American english. Then I looked up the ipa standard pronunciations for both from wiktionary: enPR: gē, IPA(key): /ɡiː/ (South Asia) IPA(key): [ɡʱiː] Perhaps it’s just you?

The difference is right there in those IPA renderings. The superscript h means the g should be aspirated (like the k typically is in 'key' in English; also 'spin' vs 'pin'). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant

You might not hear the difference as the English language does not assign meaning to that difference. But if I pronounce 'key' or 'pin' without aspiration, you may feel that I speak with an accent or even mishear it as 'bin':

> Pronouncing them as unaspirated in these positions, as is done by many Indian English speakers, may make them get confused with the corresponding voiced stop by other English-speakers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant#Allophonic

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by bee_rider »

alex_smart wrote: post #40
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #11

"Fauxghee" is one of the best puns ever. I have a sneaking suspicion that they started with that pun and worked backwards.

>"Fauxghee" is one of the best puns ever. Except for the fact that the pun only works if you mispronounce "ghee".

I bet most of us do mispronounce ghee.

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by jvanderbot »

cs702 wrote: post #24

This parody is a brilliant take-down of the so-called FAT framework for making sure algorithms, including those powered by AI, are ethical. ("FAT" stands for making algorithms Fair, Accountable, and Transparent.) The authors show how FAT and other similar frameworks would fail to prevent the proposed launch of a new automated service for manufacturing different varieties of high-nutrient slurries: > Elderly volunteer…

On whether ethical algorithmic frameworks can force ethical behavior:

> Sometimes the problem is not how the sausage gets made, but that they’re making people into sausage.

Re: A Mulching Proposal (2019)

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Post by ttul »

cs702 wrote: post #24

This parody is a brilliant take-down of the so-called FAT framework for making sure algorithms, including those powered by AI, are ethical. ("FAT" stands for making algorithms Fair, Accountable, and Transparent.) The authors show how FAT and other similar frameworks would fail to prevent the proposed launch of a new automated service for manufacturing different varieties of high-nutrient slurries: > Elderly volunteer…

GPT-4 doesn’t get the humor: “The paper aims to apply the Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency (FAT) framework to this algorithmic system to ensure better ethical outcomes. However, given the nature of the proposed solution, researchers and practitioners should consider alternative approaches that respect the dignity of elderly individuals and maintain a more ethical stance when addressing food security and population ageing issues.”

I then told GPT that the system was already in widespread use and was popular: “It is crucial to explore alternative, more ethical solutions to address food security and population ageing issues. This could involve investment in sustainable agriculture, technology to improve food production, and social policies that provide support to the elderly population and their families.”

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