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Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#51

Same thing happened to me in the early 2000's during the first dotcom crash. Except my contractor rate was nearly double my full time rate. It was rather dumb, but obviously they didn't bring _everyone_ back that they had laid off.

Did you have a pension as an employee? Significant stock options?

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post #9

> Lawrence Dearth, the president of staffing company Insight Global, Instead of naming your staffing company like a nondescript CIA front, why not call it "Dearth of Talent"? No one would ever forget it. Maybe it can be a cold-call icebreaker, too.

Dearth Vader?

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#53

I’m not a lawyer, but I have a vague idea about my rights and firing people to hire them as contractors instead is illegal in both jurisdictions I know, France and Norway. Firing people to hire contractors instead is risky because you need a reason to fire people. The reason could be economical, but one could easily argue in court that if the company is hiring contractors instead, well, it was not the real reason. Th…

I think that's also illegal in Canada

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#54
post #5

I know people who got laid off at my company who are trying to stay tied into that company however they can. If you're a contractor for now, fine. You still get to maintain and build new connections to try to get back into an FTE role later on, hopefully at the end of the day this being a minor speedbump in your career. I can appreciate the thinking. I might actually choose that path if it happens to me.

Maybe in some cases.

But if you were laid off, it means the company didn't value you a lot. OK, maybe they didn't value you much because of their current needs--which may have changed since you were hired. But making a bet on staying in the company's orbit just in case they have a change of heart doesn't seem like an especially wise one in general even if it was a "no hard feelings, it's just business" breakup.

There are boomerangs where someone went to a startup for a few years and that sort of makes sense but that's different from being laid off.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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post #36

That’s exactly my situation, while it wasn’t technically a “laid-off” but rather me leaving a toxic one, but when my previous boss -company CEO- knew I’m starting my own consultancy company, he got in touch about several big project coming in, part of me want to reject it for obvious reasons, and the other part to forget the past and use the opportunity to pivot that to build good portfolio.

My (personal) gut reaction would be that that CEO can fuck off.

That said, my advice would be to weigh whether or not the portfolio boost is worth dealing with any toxicity you may or may not experience. I suppose it's possible (not trying to assume, just that I don't know) that s/he doesn't know how toxic you felt the place was.

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#56
post #46

Some places stipulates that if you return within some number of months after being laid off, you forfeit a prorated amount of your severance. This may make returning to the same company significantly less attractive.

Yeah, this happened to me (late 2021): was laid off, had at least one Sr. Director in an adjacent silo spinning up the process of lateral'ing me into his org, but HR confirmed that I would have to pro-rata repay severance should I resume FTE during the severance-paid interval (in my case, 6 months). I wasn't surprised as the last thing HR and bean counters want is to let an employee "double-dip", but assuming the int…

Yeah, screw that. If someone laid me off then wanted me back they'd pay for the stress of the layoff in addition to the salary of the new job.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#57

I’m not a lawyer, but I have a vague idea about my rights and firing people to hire them as contractors instead is illegal in both jurisdictions I know, France and Norway. Firing people to hire contractors instead is risky because you need a reason to fire people. The reason could be economical, but one could easily argue in court that if the company is hiring contractors instead, well, it was not the real reason. Th…

I came here to say the same. In the UK you can't be made redundant if there is other work you could do at the company.

Also in the UK contractors are paid a lot more than full time staff!

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#58

I’m not a lawyer, but I have a vague idea about my rights and firing people to hire them as contractors instead is illegal in both jurisdictions I know, France and Norway. Firing people to hire contractors instead is risky because you need a reason to fire people. The reason could be economical, but one could easily argue in court that if the company is hiring contractors instead, well, it was not the real reason. Th…

This is illegal in Portugal. It's also illegal to fire someone based on the termination of a specific company role (assuming the company can do it, but this is another discussion) and then next hire someone else, contractor or not, for that same, or similar, role.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#59
post #9

> Lawrence Dearth, the president of staffing company Insight Global, Instead of naming your staffing company like a nondescript CIA front, why not call it "Dearth of Talent"? No one would ever forget it. Maybe it can be a cold-call icebreaker, too.

“Hey I have a meeting with your CEO in a few minutes. I’m John and I’m here from a Dearth of Talent.”

I’m not saying that.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#60
I once worked for Amazon as a contractor with Insight Global. While it wasn't a bad gig, the culture wasn't a fit so I left. Since then (almost a year), every week I have been mailed a return box for the equipment that I have already returned. I tried telling my former boss but the boxes keep coming. How much money have they wasted mailing me return boxes months on end for no reason?
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