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Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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> Lawrence Dearth, the president of staffing company Insight Global, Instead of naming your staffing company like a nondescript CIA front, why not call it "Dearth of Talent"? No one would ever forget it. Maybe it can be a cold-call icebreaker, too.

I read "Lawrence Death" the first time.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#42
It’s funny how in Sweden it’s exactly the other way around: Coming back as a (self-employed) contractor is like hitting the jackpot, you typically double your pay. Companies here even have policies to prevent employees switching over to contracting (for the same company). You have to work for some other company for at least a year.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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> There’s no way I want to go back ... making half the amount. IMHO, if a company lays off an employee, and then wants them back as a contractor/consultant, the tasteful offer is that the money doubles , not halves .

1. Most companies aren’t in the business of making tasteful offers. 2. Why would they double this person’s pay? This person no longer has a job and needs one!

> Why would they double this person’s pay? This person no longer has a job and needs one!

Because he's contracting now. Contractors typically don't take jobs for salary level pay, let alone _less_ that salary level pay. The main reason we charge more is to cover costs for insurance, and all the other things a company would normally pay for — but it's also because we don't _need_ the job, _they_ need the job filled.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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post #16
post #12

> There’s no way I want to go back ... making half the amount. IMHO, if a company lays off an employee, and then wants them back as a contractor/consultant, the tasteful offer is that the money doubles , not halves .

supply and demand

Not even remotely. Wages would not have stagnated with low unemployment numbers were employment based on supply and demand.

See also “Nobody wants to work”

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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post #12

> There’s no way I want to go back ... making half the amount. IMHO, if a company lays off an employee, and then wants them back as a contractor/consultant, the tasteful offer is that the money doubles , not halves .

1. Most companies aren’t in the business of making tasteful offers. 2. Why would they double this person’s pay? This person no longer has a job and needs one!

Because it’s only logical that if company realized it made a mistake it would be cheaper to just hire someone back for more pay who’s already ramped up? But you’re right that most management is too incompetent to realize this

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#46

Some places stipulates that if you return within some number of months after being laid off, you forfeit a prorated amount of your severance. This may make returning to the same company significantly less attractive.

Yeah, this happened to me (late 2021): was laid off, had at least one Sr. Director in an adjacent silo spinning up the process of lateral'ing me into his org, but HR confirmed that I would have to pro-rata repay severance should I resume FTE during the severance-paid interval (in my case, 6 months). I wasn't surprised as the last thing HR and bean counters want is to let an employee "double-dip", but assuming the interest of the Sr. Dir. in my case was genuine, it's a classic case of myopia on their part: it seems pretty likely that when a layoff is being planned, that there is nothing resembling pro sports' "waiver wire" where a list of all the employees initially chosen for layoff is circulated amongst all of management to see if other orgs want to (offer to) "claim" any of them (they presumably don't do this for secrecy reasons). I took the severance and didn't look back; their decision and process, their loss.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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I’m not a lawyer, but I have a vague idea about my rights and firing people to hire them as contractors instead is illegal in both jurisdictions I know, France and Norway.

Firing people to hire contractors instead is risky because you need a reason to fire people. The reason could be economical, but one could easily argue in court that if the company is hiring contractors instead, well, it was not the real reason.

The other reason could be personal. The employee is incompetent or toxic, for example, but if you get an offer as a contractor after, it sounds trivial to win a trial too.

I know the word is a bit a taboo, but I’m personally in a union, for scientists and engineers, and I would recommend people in USA to start considering thinking about perhaps potentially slowly improving their rights.

Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

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I’m not a lawyer, but I have a vague idea about my rights and firing people to hire them as contractors instead is illegal in both jurisdictions I know, France and Norway. Firing people to hire contractors instead is risky because you need a reason to fire people. The reason could be economical, but one could easily argue in court that if the company is hiring contractors instead, well, it was not the real reason. Th…

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Re: Laid off by Big Tech, then recruited for contract work – at the same place

#50

Well if you are desperate for the job then go for it and just work bare minimum needed to keep your job. Don't go extra mile. enjoy some good family time. keep looking outside and dump them without notice once you get a better job.

Being a contractor can be freeing. Everything that normally matters stops mattering. Code quality, longterm issues, finishing whatever you are doing. You are there for a fixed length of time. Not getting access becomes someone elses worry. The project not working, the ceo is unhappy.. don't really matter
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