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Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by rufus_foreman »

lucas_membrane wrote: post #70
rufus_foreman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technique a few people mentioned of looking at words or writing and then looking away and looking back is pretty effective for me. You would have to have some reason to suspect you were dreaming first. I can do it, I first figured it out when I was 6 or 7, but why? Might be better to just get some sleep.

Just a few nights I had such happen during a dream in which I was playing cards with three or for opponents. I was counting the cards played, and I realized that I had played a card that I had not been dealt. Refusing to believe that I was cheating, I deduced that I were dreaming and awoke at once. But I cannot explain the stack of chips that I found on my night table.

Had similar things happen but usually when I was drinking, not dreaming.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by saiojd »

mrangle wrote: post #35

Possibly related: I have a pet theory that holds that primarily attentive ADHD (ADHD-PI) is actually a facet of the type of autism that used to be called Asperger's. And that ADHD, generally, is an extension just outside of the autism spectrum: possibly bridging into it with ADHD-PI if not the other ADHD classifications. One of ADHD-PI's most noticeable traits is virtually uncontrollable daydreaming. When auditory /…

Would you mind defining 'glut' in the context of your post? What you're saying seems very interesting but I can't quite wrap my head around it.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by felipemnoa »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #64
gabereiser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly enough, we've been saying that since... The Terminator. NN's and LLM's are cool but not even close to the power of the human brain (maybe quantum llm's?). I'm keen to see how we can tap into our own minds as CPU's or at least drivers thereof. Consciousness is awareness and perception so one could say we are close to a rudimentary consciousness but we have a long way to go before it's aware. Still, even though w…

> LLM's are cool but not even close to the power of the human brain There are only 20 Billion Neurons in the Neocortex. GPT-3 has 175 Billion. GPT-4 scores 130 on IQ tests. They are absolutely in the realm of the power of human brains. They're just exposed to different stimuli and have very narrow input/output.

>>GPT-4 scores 130 on IQ tests

Then there must be something really wrong with IQ tests. GPT-4 to me seems more like an idiot savant.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by andromeduck »

macrolime wrote: post #49
idleproc wrote: post #12

I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

The method I found to work most consistent in getting to a lucid dream is to wear a wristwatch with a vibrating alarm (noisy alarm clock makes you too awake) and then set it to wake me after I've slept something like 4-5 hours. Then I'll be really tired and fall asleep again almost immediately, but when I'm falling asleep fast it's easier to notice and focus on hypnagogic patterns. Hypnagogic pattern are patterns of…

Oh man I had that for the first time a few months back when I couldn't sleep for like 50 hours or so and it freaked me out as someone who doesn't visualize

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Post by andromeduck »

lisper wrote: post #22
idleproc wrote: post #12

I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Most of the time when I'm dreaming it never even occurs to me that I might be in a dream until I wake up. I have even had some cases where it did occur to me, and I started lucid dreaming (which was very cool), but then I reverted to my default this-must-be-real dreaming state. That was very weird.

Don't you ever wake up in your dream? as in dream within a dream.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by andromeduck »

noodles_nomore wrote: post #47
godshatter wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to lucid dream regularly (need to get back to it - it's a lot of fun). I used a reality check where I would try to (lightly) blow air through my nose when my hand was closing it off. If I could I was dreaming. I did this randomly during my waking hours every so often when I had some indication that something was different and I needed to test reality. Whenever I would come semi-aware when I was dreaming I woul…

I had chronic sleep paralysis for many years. One thing I eventually figured out is that I still had control over my breathing, and I could hyper-ventilate myself awake. Sleep pararalysis then stopped either because I aquired that skill or because I stopped eating gluten.

Huh I actually don't recall ever having control of my breathing actually. Can wiggle wiggle a few fingers/toes and muted scream and some eye control is all I got i think.

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Post by kordlessagain »

pengaru wrote: post #53
idleproc wrote: post #12

I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Recently I switched from taking a lions mane supplement in capsule form to mixing some powder into my morning tea, since I can get the powder for far less $$ and it's usda organic on top of it. For some reason this has resulted in persistent lucid dreaming before waking up, daily, for over a month now. The capsules rarely caused this, but something about the tea seems to be affecting the bio-availability, or maybe th…

Have you noticed any differences in your ability to form internal imagery while awake? There’s a post on Reddit where the subject appears to have had that ability affected by Lions Mane.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by kordlessagain »

burnished wrote: post #18
idleproc wrote: post #12

I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

I read a guide that suggested looking at your hands - that night I dreamt and recalled that and it worked. I guess most people do not see their own hands accurately while dreaming and it acts as a cue. Just a little tangent!

My theory is that when the thinking mind acts on what is being seen, that is what triggers the awakening in the dream.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by ttttt444yeak »

macrolime wrote: post #49
idleproc wrote: post #12

I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

The method I found to work most consistent in getting to a lucid dream is to wear a wristwatch with a vibrating alarm (noisy alarm clock makes you too awake) and then set it to wake me after I've slept something like 4-5 hours. Then I'll be really tired and fall asleep again almost immediately, but when I'm falling asleep fast it's easier to notice and focus on hypnagogic patterns. Hypnagogic pattern are patterns of…

This is 100% the most effective way to do it for anybody interested in trying. It doesn't even take all that much practice. I got it on my second attempt.

I'd disagree slightly about how awake you want to get though. Obviously don't turn on any lights or stand up. But force yourself to be awake for enough time to get your bearings or you are going to lose consciousness too early.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Post by kordlessagain »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #64
gabereiser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly enough, we've been saying that since... The Terminator. NN's and LLM's are cool but not even close to the power of the human brain (maybe quantum llm's?). I'm keen to see how we can tap into our own minds as CPU's or at least drivers thereof. Consciousness is awareness and perception so one could say we are close to a rudimentary consciousness but we have a long way to go before it's aware. Still, even though w…

> LLM's are cool but not even close to the power of the human brain There are only 20 Billion Neurons in the Neocortex. GPT-3 has 175 Billion. GPT-4 scores 130 on IQ tests. They are absolutely in the realm of the power of human brains. They're just exposed to different stimuli and have very narrow input/output.

An neuron and a parameter are not the same thing. Also, see Orch OR theory: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduc...
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