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New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

We require government ID for people to buy alcohol, because we don’t want children doing it. How is this any different?

I agree this law is ridiculous, though.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by Mezzie »

akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

Also nobody has thought about what the implementation will mean. I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and all the companies just deleted all my accounts: Email account, hosting, chat accounts, etc. It was easier than dealing with the logistics of getting parental permission (which I could have gotten, I started programming when I was 5 and both my parents were hacker types; I was supervised just fine). Which is that they're going to take the easy way out and a lot of people are going to get hit in the crossfire.

Also interesting that 'think of the children' always only means the stupid, unsupervised children. Children growing up with technologically literate adults who can actually parent and whose parents might want them to be exposed to things can just screw off, we guess. So can those parents' rights. "Well, we don't know how to do it, so you're not allowed to raise your children this way/let them use these things."

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by nverno »

astura wrote: post #94
nverno wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

New ID? Nothing new needed, anyone, child or adult, can get a non-driver's id from the DMV. Just need the proper paperwork. People I grew up with generally started working at 14 and that's when they'd get one. A friend of mine has state IDs for all of her elementary aged children - I assume she needed them for some reason at some point.

I started working at that age too, but certainly didn't need an ID to get a job (and never have at any point in my life, afaicr - and I've never even heard of 'working papers'). Are you talking about in the states? Cause for jobs (at least those that aren't under the table) I've only ever needed a social security number.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by Thorrez »

Mezzie wrote: post #112
akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

Also nobody has thought about what the implementation will mean. I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and all the companies just deleted all my accounts: Email account, hosting, chat accounts, etc. It was easier than dealing with the logistics of getting parental permission (which I could have gotten, I started programming when I was 5 and both my parents were hacker types; I was supervised just fine). Which is that…

The revenue restriction might limit the damage. If the law only applies to high-revenue sites, they probably have the resources to implement a parental check. If the law applies to all sites, most will implement the much simpler ban.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by Thorrez »

nverno wrote: post #42
vhold wrote: post #33

I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil... Reasonable age verification methods under subdivision (c)(1) of this section include providing: (A) A digitized identification card, including a digital copy of a driver's license under § 27-16-601 et seq.; (B) Government-issued identification; or (C) Any commercially reasonable age verification meth…

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

The law intentionally bans people under 18 (unless they get parental permission). So people under 16 not having IDs doesn't matter I don't think, since even if they did have IDs they would still be banned (unless they get parental permission).

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by Thorrez »

marcosdumay wrote: post #32
toxicFork wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So which ones does it apply to in the end?

Well, from the article, if you make a mildly successful multiplayer game, you better allow players to share tick-tock style videos too, or it will apply to you. But I have no idea if the article representation of it is correct (that would be a first), and no interest on reading the original.

Video games are also exempted.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by gabereiser »

mleo wrote: post #103
gabereiser wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't sign up without a credit card, credit cards are issued to folks 18 and over. This is how they've done it up until this point (with little success). Making a "know your user" law like banking, no one will want to deal with the hassle and so only corporations (with big pockets to spend on this kind of Deloitte BS) will be able to compete on the internet. It's a travesty.

Credit cards can be given to 13 and above. I don’t believe there is an age tied the specific account number.

Hence the “little success” part.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jbullock35 »

Does the bill actually apply to any social media platform?

The article notes that the bill exempts most platforms and any “social media company that allows a user to generate short video clips of dancing, voice overs, or other acts of entertainment.” You can generate those clips with TikTok and with Meta's tools, so they seem to be exempt.

Maybe the bill applies to Reddit and to Twitter?

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by s1artibartfast »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #111
akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

We require government ID for people to buy alcohol, because we don’t want children doing it. How is this any different? I agree this law is ridiculous, though.

This is different specifically because many people do not want to prohibit their children from accessing online content or a government and GateKeeper.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by astura »

nverno wrote: post #113
astura wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New ID? Nothing new needed, anyone, child or adult, can get a non-driver's id from the DMV. Just need the proper paperwork. People I grew up with generally started working at 14 and that's when they'd get one. A friend of mine has state IDs for all of her elementary aged children - I assume she needed them for some reason at some point.

I started working at that age too, but certainly didn't need an ID to get a job (and never have at any point in my life, afaicr - and I've never even heard of 'working papers'). Are you talking about in the states? Cause for jobs (at least those that aren't under the table) I've only ever needed a social security number.

Everyone who works in the united states must fill out form I-9 to prove your eligibility for employment.

https://www.uscis.gov/i-9

Report card/school records is an option for children who don't have an ID. So ID doesn't appear to be strictly needed until one turns 18.

Working papers are permission to work as a minor - https://dol.ny.gov/working-papers this site says you get them from your school now. Back in the day when I got mine you had to go to the DMV.

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