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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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It "might be said" but that makes no sense to anyone who knew firmly what their gender identity was from early childhood. The norm is around 4 years of age. It also makes no sense given that dysphoria does disappear for a portion of patients irrespective of which hormones they're on. As well as for those on puberty blockers. The entire point of puberty blockers is allow for delaying the decision on going on hormones…

You also perpetuated this flamewar very badly. Please avoid such things in the future. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Oh, look, instead of looking for actual evidence, you double down on trying to justify the choice of a known transphobic activist. Google a bit deeper. Of course, given your growing number of comments in this thread flagged for your own transphobic responses it's not surprising.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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And as you can see, even Hacker News is not immune to this latest moral panic. Sadly, once a moral panic starts, it's nearly impossible to stop. It has to destroy an egregious number of innocent lives before society finally comes to its senses, at which point the panic slowly fizzles out.

I'm a bit surprised at how often it seems to come up in random comment threads. The atmosphere here feels increasingly unwelcoming lately. Or maybe people feel like they're just having abstract, hypothetical intellectual discussions. But when I read these threads, it just feels like signal after signal that I no longer fit in or have a place here.

Welcome to the world of being a deviant from social norms. I have contamination OCD; it was very mild until mid 2021 when the assholes in charge thought it was a great idea to drop both mask requirements and social distancing requirements at the same time. Then it flared up to moderate OCD and has stayed there ever since.

I live in the SF Bay area and only once overheard a sarcastic comment directed at my mask wearing. But every time I go out shopping in public and see people without masks I feel it. And that's completely discounting all of the articles I've read that favored removing masks and distancing, even from left-wing writers. The few people who are still mask-positive, or at least talk the talk, are nice, but seem less salient before the mask-negative people.

People don't give a shit, even though they know that behaving as normal means that literally hundreds of thousands of people will die each year from disease.

As a person who is not trans, but does have OCD, it's annoying how big a deal the powers that be make being "trans accepting". When at best they just say "tolerate those who continue to wear masks, but don't bother social distancing from them, or wearing your own mask". I think this annoyance (in people who see their own issues not cared about the same) sparks a backlash not necessarily against trans, but against the very large, disproportionately noticeable, social push for not just trans-tolerance, but trans-inclusion.

The main issue with "Trans" is that it covers way too many things these days. Everything from what used to be transvestitism to full-on post-op and hormone transsexualism, and including brand new things such as pronouns. And actions ranging from trans people who still otherwise behave entirely like their birth sex socially, to those who stealth everywhere they can in every way they can, to those who flaunt their transness in various ways. And that's without factoring in the third parties who support transness, and the various kinds of actions they take (such as militantly policing pronouns, or encouraging people to consider whether they're trans without letting the topic arise naturally - which is a definite problem for some people who are on the OCD spectrum [Trans-OCD] as well as people who are suggestible).

And it includes other people who are even more socially deviant (pedophilia, extreme body modification), trying to hitch their wagon to the trans issue, as trans hitched itself to LGB, which brings in the slippery slope arguments.

Basically there's a ton of stuff going on with respect to trans. Various people can be okay with almost all of it, but not with some of it. These people can say what they have a problem with and it can be perceived as blanket anti-trans or "transphobia", when it's not. Or those people can actually become blanket anti-trans because of the one thing they originally had a problem with.

P.S. I found your comment while going back through my thread list and felt the desire to respond.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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How to not get pregnant, how to use birth control, how to not get diseases, these are all good things to reach children. They go a bit beyond that in the US these days. I laughed at the slippery slope 15 years ago. It's real let me tell you. If you can get your country to take it where it should be and not a step further more power to you.

Care to give examples of what this slippery slope has led to? What are they teaching you disagree with?

An example: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?Year=2023&BillNumber=5599

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

Yes, they have. And they have the right to exist and try to live their lives, just like other mentally ill people. But theres a reason societies don't celebrate deviance, and it's because you create social contagion and severely damage people and your society.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Hormone blockers suppress the expression of estrogen and testosterone, I was very clearly referring to hormone replacement therapy. Moral of the story is, people aren't lying just because you refuse to read the words written literally on the screen.

I meant to say puberty blockers, not hormone blockers. Which should have been quite obvious from the context.

I think it's less obvious because you brought them up without context.

Not going to walk back that accusation that I'm a liar, now you know that you were talking about something else?

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From my perspective the Republicans are the reactionary party and the Democrats are the conservative party. It's just how far the Overton window has shifted. However I do agree that their actions do a lot to harm citizens and the country, more so than D or at least more blatantly and overtly. It's wild how they claim to be the about freedom then do everything they can to restrict it, especially with speech

What makes democrats the conservative party? Remember that's a comparison between the two, not an objective assement.

They're, at large, interested in conserving the structures of capitalism. They make an effort to seem progressive but continuously fail to make any meaningful changes to the systems in the US that have harmed people and have kept people in poverty for generations. They're generally in the pockets of capitalists and don't care about worker rights. There may be a couple exceptions but the democratic party in general is conservative

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Those responsible rarely get their comeuppance. I mean the academics and psychiatrists who invent this baloney, and continue pushing it for years, sustaining the delusion. Some of them are still practicing today. They've casually moved onto other things.

Academics? At least in what I've seen of the US satanic panic, there were no academics that I know of. Journalists, police consultants, quack shrinks (I forgot which kind of psy.* they were), political and religious authorities, and generally people who had some power and/or money to gain from the panic.

Diane Ehrensaft is one. She wrote a paper on it. She's still around.
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