After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case • Hacker News Board

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by klyrs » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 4:31 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #9

d6e wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

People believing that masses of children are literally getting surgery, circumcision notwithstanding, is a result of a persistent campaign to cause panic.

And it's the same hucksters selling fear to the same religious reactionaries. New day, new apocalyptic scapegoat.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by BigCryo » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:07 AM UTC

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by deserialized » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:16 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #9

d6e wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

If that were true circumcision and forced surgery on intersex kids would be banned too.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by cersei » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:17 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #9

d6e wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Ah right, "but think of the children"

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by blackwateragent » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:34 AM UTC

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #3

A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection services, parents committing suicide from the trauma etc. Two decades later, as part of an investigation, the kids (now adults) came out as saying that they were brainwashed, they were pressured into confessions of satanic rituals in the local cemetery, of bl…

> a special spot-the-satanist training that the teachers received as part of their professional development [...] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese (unfortunately no En version of the page)

I'm curious, as there is no English page, do you have any more information I can pursue regarding the 'spot-the-satanist training'? Curious what exactly that entailed and the signs they looked for.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by friend_and_foe » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:38 AM UTC

> “Instead of getting help with the real mental problems she was experiencing, she was persuaded and kept mentally ill with pseudoscience and superstition,” said Parker.

I wonder what modern day mass hysteria/social contagion we will remember in this way. Whatever it is you can bet lots of people will pretend they never engaged in it.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by friend_and_foe » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:39 AM UTC

d6e wrote: post #6

1letterunixname wrote: post #2

Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…

And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by friend_and_foe » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:40 AM UTC

deserialized wrote: post #13

the_doctah wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

If that were true circumcision and forced surgery on intersex kids would be banned too.

That's also a good idea.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by friend_and_foe » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:42 AM UTC

petre wrote: post #10

1letterunixname wrote: post #2

Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…

The hysteria about sex education is going on in my country as we speak. The public debate is also influenced by Russian propaganda and the church who is pushing for religion as a final exam subject. They'd rather teach kids mumbojumbo instead of basic hygene and how to not get pregnant in your teens.

How to not get pregnant, how to use birth control, how to not get diseases, these are all good things to reach children. They go a bit beyond that in the US these days. I laughed at the slippery slope 15 years ago. It's real let me tell you.

If you can get your country to take it where it should be and not a step further more power to you.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:50 AM UTC

blackwateragent wrote: post #15

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #3

A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection services, parents committing suicide from the trauma etc. Two decades later, as part of an investigation, the kids (now adults) came out as saying that they were brainwashed, they were pressured into confessions of satanic rituals in the local cemetery, of bl…

> a special spot-the-satanist training that the teachers received as part of their professional development [...] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese (unfortunately no En version of the page) I'm curious, as there is no English page, do you have any more information I can pursue regarding the 'spot-the-satanist training'? Curious what exactly that entailed and the signs they looked for.

It's cited in the Audible series itself (that's where the investigation was originally published: https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J), which is many hours of content, so I wouldn't be able to easily dig that up unfortunately. If I recall correctly, it was a wave of professional instruction that was making its way through either teacher ed or psychologist ed, I imagine of US/UK origin. Do a search for "satanic ritual abuse" and all of the studies around it, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3813055

By the way, here's one of the psychologists involved in the scandal getting jail time 20+ years later: https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2021/11/11/psychia...

Just to clarify, since I misspoke, the training was not about spotting satanists, it was about spotting symptoms of satanic ritual abuse in children victimized by them.