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Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by lionkor »

Beaver117 wrote: post #9
lionkor wrote: post #6

I dont quite understand, maybe someone can enlighten me: Nobody is forcing people to use TikTok, right? Peer pressure is a thing, but there are other ways for parents to enforce that their child doesnt use TikTok (e.g. like my little sister who just can't install anything on her iphone, and instead has hobbies). If youre concerned about china's government collecting data, pass a bill similar to GDPR at the very least…

Lol. Don't be upset when your sister cuts all contact from the family, just saying.

You wouldn't believe it, but there is actually a way to restrict what your child does without causing them trauma and harm. Parenting is the word for that, and it would be great if people could actually do more of it.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by duskwuff »

jasonhansel wrote: post #17

I'm rather surprised that you can write a law calling out one particular company by name and applying solely to that one company, as the Montana bill does. How common is this?

Practically unheard of. It's usually tiptoed around by wording laws in such a way that they only apply to one company. Compare, for example, the recent Arkansas bill[1] banning some social media services, which effectively exempts TikTok by making an exception for any "social media company that allows a user to generate short video clips of dancing, voice overs, or other acts of entertainment".

For that matter, it's unclear if it's even constitutional. Article I, Section 9 of the US Constitution flatly prohibits bills of attainder (laws which declare a specific person guilty of a crime and/or subject them to punishments). It's undecided whether this clause extends to corporations or only to natural persons, but the possibility is enough.

[1]: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil...

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by eh9 »

andrekandre wrote: post #20
eh9 wrote: post #18

This won’t pass. How are you going to enforce this? Are you going to fine Montana residents 10K per TikTok post…? Republicans keep pushing the most un-american stuff on this country. What happened to “freedom”?

> This won’t pass. do you mean to say it wont get signed into law or that it will be struck down by the courts?

Yes

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by dang »

permo-w wrote: post #12
nobody9999 wrote: post #7

This law is a failure waiting to happen. First off, what about all the folks in Montana who already have TikTok? Will Montana State Troopers be setting up roadblocks to check people's phones, then going house to house to do the same? And when it comes to stuff like this, kids aren't stupid. If they can't gain access to a VPN providing an IP address outside Montana, they'll just message someone they know from out of s…

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Post by dang »

nobody9999 wrote: post #16
permo-w wrote: post #12

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Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by akudha »

I think politicians, especially GOP, are afraid of TikTok. It has been quite successful in mobilizing young voters.

That doesn’t mean TikTok is innocent, of course. But it is weird to claim all kinds of privacy issues with it, when American social media companies do the same kind of shenanigans.

Would be interesting when the courts get involved.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by nailer »

nobody9999 wrote: post #11
nailer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First off, what about all the folks in Montana who already have TikTok? The ban is silly, but I’d have Apple and Google remove the app for all users with a billing address in Montana.

>The ban is silly, but I’d have Apple and Google remove the app for all users with a billing address in Montana. I've never heard a better rationale for not using Apple products or a "Googled" Android device[0]. That it's even possible for Apple/Google Play to do something like that (although I'm not so sure they'd do so -- and I'm not so sure they could be forced to either -- but IANAL) is horrific overreach and def…

Sorry. General purpose computing is legacy tech now - even your desktop has a second OS install (Minix inside IME) that you don’t have access to. RMS was right, but nobody listened.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by permo-w »

dang wrote: post #24
permo-w wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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does that disallow criticism of the style of a comment?

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

eh9 wrote: post #18

This won’t pass. How are you going to enforce this? Are you going to fine Montana residents 10K per TikTok post…? Republicans keep pushing the most un-american stuff on this country. What happened to “freedom”?

The bill answers your question if you read it. The fine is on an entity providing TikTok. So that would be Apple, Google, ByteDance. It explicitly states no individuals will be fined.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

lionkor wrote: post #6

I dont quite understand, maybe someone can enlighten me: Nobody is forcing people to use TikTok, right? Peer pressure is a thing, but there are other ways for parents to enforce that their child doesnt use TikTok (e.g. like my little sister who just can't install anything on her iphone, and instead has hobbies). If youre concerned about china's government collecting data, pass a bill similar to GDPR at the very least…

The government bans many things that you aren’t forced to use. Whether or not that’s a good idea is a different question but in practice it’s quite common.
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