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Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by qtzfz »

>The bill makes it illegal to download TikTok in the state, with penalties of up to $10,000 a day for any entity, such as Apple and Google's app stores or TikTok itself, that makes the popular video-streaming app available.

Not clear to me: is it illegal to download tiktok or to provide a download to tiktok?

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by llui85 »

qtzfz wrote: post #3

>The bill makes it illegal to download TikTok in the state, with penalties of up to $10,000 a day for any entity, such as Apple and Google's app stores or TikTok itself, that makes the popular video-streaming app available. Not clear to me: is it illegal to download tiktok or to provide a download to tiktok?

The latter:

    An entity violates this prohibition when any of the following OCCURS within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana:
        (a) the operation of tiktok by the company or users; OR
        (b) the option to download the tiktok mobile application by a mobile application store.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by lionkor »

I dont quite understand, maybe someone can enlighten me: Nobody is forcing people to use TikTok, right? Peer pressure is a thing, but there are other ways for parents to enforce that their child doesnt use TikTok (e.g. like my little sister who just can't install anything on her iphone, and instead has hobbies).

If youre concerned about china's government collecting data, pass a bill similar to GDPR at the very least - but of course that would suck for the domestic (USA) intelligence services, so thats a no-go.

Its some "its only funny when I do it!" kind of shit.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by nobody9999 »

This law is a failure waiting to happen.

First off, what about all the folks in Montana who already have TikTok?

Will Montana State Troopers be setting up roadblocks to check people's phones, then going house to house to do the same?

And when it comes to stuff like this, kids aren't stupid. If they can't gain access to a VPN providing an IP address outside Montana, they'll just message someone they know from out of state with something like "email me the .apk for Tiktok" or have someone put it up on some site outside Montana, preferably outside the US.

I'd also expect that numerous scam/malware/other evil sites will pop up offering "the TikTok app," which of course will either be the app laden with malware/backdoors/RATs, or just the latter claiming to be the app.

Nothing good will come of this.

That's not to say I'm a fan of TikTok. I'm not. But the whole premise of laws like this are that the evil Chinese government is going to steal your childrens' souls (okay not their souls, but lots of data and PII) to be used as a weapon to destroy our nation, one short video at a time.

But the truth is that all the spying scumbags^W^W Social media like Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are doing all of what TikTok is, and maybe even more.

This is performative jingoism masquerading as "safety." Want to stop this hoovering up of data? Pass national legislation blocking all these peeping Toms from collecting this information at all.

Who's running Montana, the Keystone Kops[0]?

Edit: fixed prose. Used the correct term for "social media".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Cops

Edit: Added link to explain who the "Keystone Kops" might be for those unaware of their (fictional) existence.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by rvz »

A more practical approach is to issue large fine(s) to social networks and tech companies like TikTok, instead of a ban. Just like how Facebook, Google, etc have all been fined over privacy violations.

Repeat offenses should climb up to the billions of dollars. Great money for the regulators to force change in user privacy than a complete ban especially those who want to remain in the US market.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by Beaver117 »

lionkor wrote: post #6

I dont quite understand, maybe someone can enlighten me: Nobody is forcing people to use TikTok, right? Peer pressure is a thing, but there are other ways for parents to enforce that their child doesnt use TikTok (e.g. like my little sister who just can't install anything on her iphone, and instead has hobbies). If youre concerned about china's government collecting data, pass a bill similar to GDPR at the very least…

Lol. Don't be upset when your sister cuts all contact from the family, just saying.

Re: Montana becomes first state to approve a full ban of TikTok

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Post by nailer »

nobody9999 wrote: post #7

This law is a failure waiting to happen. First off, what about all the folks in Montana who already have TikTok? Will Montana State Troopers be setting up roadblocks to check people's phones, then going house to house to do the same? And when it comes to stuff like this, kids aren't stupid. If they can't gain access to a VPN providing an IP address outside Montana, they'll just message someone they know from out of s…

> First off, what about all the folks in Montana who already have TikTok?

The ban is silly, but I’d have Apple and Google remove the app for all users with a billing address in Montana.

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