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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by RhysU »

rwalle wrote: post #311
RhysU wrote: post #266

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I don't want CarPlay or Android Auto. It's one more thing I have to fiddle with. One more thing to fight while someone beside me or behind me becomes impatient. Bluetooth is meh. I would rather have an aux cord. From the days when we connected systems by physically connecting systems. I am in the car to drive, a delightful escape from interacting with a phone.

1. You don't have to CarPlay or Android Auto if you don't want to. Just don't connect your phone. 2. Have you heard of a USB cable?

The USB cable to the phone pesters me to install/enable Android Auto every time.

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Post by kennend3 »

sokoloff wrote: post #253
GordonS wrote: post #238

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You... don't need to change brake pads with an EV? Wheel bearings?

The pads are about 2/3 worn on the rear (very small pads) and 1/2 worn on the front. Of course, they'll eventually need changing, but regen braking takes a large amount of the deceleration energy. Wheel bearings on modern cars are incredibly long-lived. I don't think I've changed one in over 30 years on our family cars.

> Wheel bearings on modern cars are incredibly long-lived. I don't think I've changed one in over 30 years on our family cars.

Depends on the car. I had a POS Chevy uplander and had to replace them 3 times. Angry because my Mazda was the same age, same milage and on its original set so i asked the GM mechanic why..

He told me the design. I'm going to guess the Uplander has the cheapest ones available?

But like you, I thought the same thing.. is "bearings" really a thing these days and apparently it is??

I'm never going to buy another "domestic" car again, and this whole "infotainment" mess we see here reinforces my decision.

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Post by liqu0rice »

beardedscotsman wrote: post #50
jacobsenscott wrote: post #38

Android auto and car play are both really bad user experiences. They are just better than what most car companies can build, which is a very low bar. Here's the android auto experience: Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...), turn on bluetooth (I often have it off because it grabs my headphones etc when I don't want it to) and connecting it to usb (where'd the damn cable go? An…

So entirely different experience for me. So 5 years ago I travel to California. Out of all the cars I picked a crappy GM car when there were better cars to pick from the rental lot, why, because I had my iPhone with navigation. Every time I rented cars since I would always make sure it had apple CarPlay so I could drive any with a familiar experience. Now today, my car has wireless CarPlay. My experience goes like th…

I am not sure about CarPlay, but Android Auto is able to give directions via HUD.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by kennend3 »

GordonS wrote: post #238
sokoloff wrote: post #228

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I have a Nissan LEAF. In 8.5 years, my expenses have included replacing wiper blades twice, cabin air filter twice, filling the washer fluid bottle several times and I’ve looked at the tires and brakes, rotating tires once. It’s been crazy nice. (As the family wrench-turner, even my wife’s CR-V, which is generally low maintenance, has felt like an inconvenient pig for maintenance demands by comparison.)

You... don't need to change brake pads with an EV? Wheel bearings?

Regen breaking.. similar to how manual transmission cars can transfer some stopping power from the brakes to the engine.. regen breaking changes the electric motor into a generator and this consumes power slowing the car down.

These actions cause the brakes to last a LOT longer. I've never driven an EV but the manual transmission cars i have had needed far fewer brake jobs.

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Post by solarkraft »

brookst wrote: post #317
dionidium wrote: post #276

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> The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. CarPlay can't really get out of date any more than iOS can get out of date. It's just a software push. The main problem with the stereo in my car is that not everything is in CarPlay, so you have this sort of absurd situation where CarPlay is supposedly just one function of many, when obviously FM radio should just be an ap…

It’s a little silly, but it avoids the complexity of the car needing to describe every feature to CarPlay. It’s very hard to create an abstraction that allows for any capability, setting, message to be displayed and interacted with. For instance, some 4x4’s have 2D inclinometers. Modern trucks have all sorts of crazy optimizations for towing. Requiring CarPlay to understand and adopt new car-specific features gets cr…

Well actually ... just make an app that talks to some API in the car's system. You'll of course have to do it for both phone OSes, but it seems quite doable.

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Post by rektide »

bdcravens wrote: post #73
rektide wrote: post #33

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Wouldn't it be great if cars would just send the car data out to phones? People already have a very well configured device hooked up to all kind of extras with them in their pocket. I don't really known what Android Auto or CarPlay offer but my weak understanding is it's mostly a dumb screen & display... Maybe a microphone? If hvac & lighting & other auxiliary systems were also controllable some really pleasant well…

There's no real standard, though with more cars adopting Android Automotive (not the same as Android Auto), perhaps that will change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Automotive

100%.

Android Automotive sounds it is it's own infotainment. I guess I'm more interested in getting the data out to users, to consume & use in different creative ways.

I thought webinos was so cool because it was a really interesting platform for exposing capabilites to users, who could then give different apps & services access. It was both a competent IoT platform, & one that effectively through encryption basically sent all data over VPN to the user, who then figured out what to do with it.

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Post by kube-system »

wodenokoto wrote: post #134
kube-system wrote: post #58

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After having wireless CarPlay, not sure I can ever go back. It’s really nice to get in the car and just go, and everything from my phone is automatically on the dash and controllable with the car’s native controls. The last thing I want is for my car to be another device with its own subscription, accounts, applications, configuration, etc.

Given the trouble my rental has connected wired CarPlay I am not convinced about wireless CarPlay. Also, I find google maps navigation to drain quite a bit. Don’t you wanna charge?

Haven’t had a problem in my vehicle and I’ve been using wireless CarPlay daily for close to 2 years.

On a longer trip I’ll pull my phone out of my pocket and put it on the Qi charger, but around town I’ve never seen much drain

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Post by bonestamp2 »

m-p-3 wrote: post #314
bborud wrote: post #226

Ideally, my car would look like a BT speaker, possibly with a microphone and some controls, to the phone. I don't want a dedicated satnav, I don't want an elaborate in-car entertainment system. The reason is twofold. The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. The second is that they tend to be fairly low quality to begin with. The system in my car that integrates with…

Like how I want a dumb TV with the system of my choice hooked up behind it. You can't trust the TV manufacturer to keep the OS up-to-date, and with TV prices always going down it's inevitable they'll cut corners to increase their profit margins.

Ya, I don't trust smart tvs not to show me ads at some point in the future, or spy on my behavior without telling me, so I don't even give my TVs my wifi password.

I'll update the firmware with a usb stick and use an Apple TV. Apple TVs are more expensive, but I feel less like I'm the product and they're popular enough and with few enough models that any major problems will be widely known.

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Post by phpisthebest »

Spivak wrote: post #290
phpisthebest wrote: post #270

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I dont think you understand what the plan is... Every feature on the car will be a subscription... Heated Seats, Fast Charging, Nav, everything Of course they will be "free" for the first 3-5 years of ownership, the free is non-transferable to a new owner... and you will be able to get the GM+ All Access Plan to "unlock your car's full potential for only $500 a year"..... This is not a GM thing, this is the dream of…

One of the benefits of "economy" cars. More reliable than the high-end models and they can't pull this crap because it would lose them money as their customer base can't afford it. This is why I'm really skeptical of mandating EVs without consumer protection because this seems to be the point where automakers are seeing dollar signs and can force buyers into higher price brackets.

I think attempting to solve a problem that is created by government regulations by creating more government regulations is crazy...

There should be no EV mandate, then there would not need to be consumer protections as the market would do what is does best and allow manufacturers to compete on the merits of the vehicles not by the government choosing what we should be allowed to drive.

I think there are already too many regulations on the manufacture of cars.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by bonestamp2 »

bmelton wrote: post #293
bborud wrote: post #226

Ideally, my car would look like a BT speaker, possibly with a microphone and some controls, to the phone. I don't want a dedicated satnav, I don't want an elaborate in-car entertainment system. The reason is twofold. The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. The second is that they tend to be fairly low quality to begin with. The system in my car that integrates with…

I've mentioned it before on here, but the Citroen Oli is a cheap EV (prototype) car that is a) cute as a button, and b) sacrifices a lot of fluff that we have misled ourselves into thinking are requirements. I'm basically the opposite of its target market, but really interested in it. One of the things that it has done (that your post reminded me of) is that it eliminated the onboard stereo. There is a dock for a pho…

I like this concept for the most part, but I would like the option for it to have built in speakers (and an amp). I'm fine to plug in my phone or pair it with the amp to provide sound.

It looks like a pretty bare bones car, and I like that it doesn't have a screen at all. I suppose if it needs a UI for configuring vehicle settings, I guess this could be done using a phone over bluetooth or wifi. That's about the only thing I use the screen in my vehicle for, everything else is from my phone.

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