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Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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Germany has some of the most expensive electricity in the world.

Which largely spiked due to high fossil fuel prices. Prematurely shutting down nuclear looks like a dumb decision, but Germany has been mismanaging their electric grid for decades.

They had one of the most expensive electricity before the war.

Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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I wonder if Greta will show up to protest this..

Like this? https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/greta-thunberg-detaine...

Protesting against mining which is expanded because NPPs are closed.

Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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Germany be like - let's do exactly opposite of what makes sense in today's world Green party is really ruining and I'm amazed people still give them votes

Actually CDU, the christian democrats, were in charge when this was decided and for most of the period while they were planning and executing that decision. Angela Merkel was in charge for 16 years until handing over to the new coalition months before the Ukrainian invasion. The CDU is a conservative party. And seriously, trying to pass off Angela Merkel as a tree hugging hippy would be quite a feat.

The thing is, this was a widely supported decision that has by and large gone through without a lot of opposition in a country that reliably votes for conservatives and moderates to lead them. Also, none of the bad stuff that people predicted would happen has actually happened. No blackouts. No massive increase in coal/gas usage. None of that seems to be happening.

Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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post #49

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Which largely spiked due to high fossil fuel prices. Prematurely shutting down nuclear looks like a dumb decision, but Germany has been mismanaging their electric grid for decades.

They had one of the most expensive electricity before the war.

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Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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post #49

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Which largely spiked due to high fossil fuel prices. Prematurely shutting down nuclear looks like a dumb decision, but Germany has been mismanaging their electric grid for decades.

They had one of the most expensive electricity before the war.

Retail prices were very high in Germany, but wholesale prices were quite reasonable.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267541/germany-monthly-...

Part of this discrepancy was them paying off an extremely premature investment in PV solar in attempt to kick start domestic production. Back in 2009 they setup 39 euro cents/kWh feed in tariffs for solar. Those subsidies where quickly cut on new installations but as I understand it they are still paying it on those early installs. The good news is those will be expiring fairly soon and arguably those initial investments are paying dividends in current rock bottom prices for new installations.

Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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They are probably being downvoted because they are pinning the decisions lead by CDU on the Green party. If they didn't misrepresent the situation they most likely would not get downvoted. Funny how that works, no?

The CDU may have made the decision but the Greens were in favor of it, were they not?

Were all other political parties against it? If not, why specifically pin it on the Green party?

Re: Germany Quits Nuclear Power, Ending a Decades-Long Struggle

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Good politicians deliver the end goal people want (e.g. cheap and clean electricity), in the best way scientifically possible, then convince their base their method was the right decision. Bad politicians ask people how they should do a thing, then do that thing. It's been awhile since Germany has had good politicians where energy is concerned.

That same logic lead to gas pipelines with Russia and Russia blackmailing Germany

Fair. The whole point was that gas was supposed to be the "Plan B" bridge to ensure flex and resiliency during the cutover to renewables.

Then they did away with a big component of "Plan A" in nuclear after Fukushima, which promoted Russian gas to an essential component of their transition energy mix.

At the end of the day, if Germany hadn't stopped building nuclear or decommissioned reactors, Ukraine probably wouldn't have been invaded.

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