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GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by shrx »

copperx wrote: post #165
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Detaching the entertainment system from the car and making it just a dumb touchscreen and speakers must have really grinded the gears of auto makers. I can now upgrade my entire entertainment system, GPS, phone, etc. by replacing a phone. They’d prefer you get another car when your system is feeling old. I don’t even understand why my 2020 car had an optional GPS add-on for thousands of dollars. Android Auto / CarPla…

It actually played out differently than I thought. I thought that CarPlay and Android Auto would not be backward compatible with older versions, forcing you to upgrade your car along with your phone. I'm surprised it didn't work that way. I still don't understand why.

I bought a car in 2022 and it was not compatible with the Android Auto version on my phone from 2017. So I had to buy a new phone as well.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by ascorbic »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #38

Android auto and car play are both really bad user experiences. They are just better than what most car companies can build, which is a very low bar. Here's the android auto experience: Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...), turn on bluetooth (I often have it off because it grabs my headphones etc when I don't want it to) and connecting it to usb (where'd the damn cable go? An…

> Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...),

Isn't it uncomfortable sitting with a phone in your pocket?

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by ascorbic »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #136
getpost wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> constant cellular connection This isn't at all required for music or maps. Phones have up to a terabyte of storage now.

It is not theoretically required, but most (all?) phones don't cache all the map tiles between the origin and destination. You'd have to proactively download all the map regions you think you might need.

Google Maps prompts me to do just that when I navigate any kind of distance. Not sure if it's only when driving through areas with poor reception.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by shrx »

spockz wrote: post #187
shrx wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate? Are phones not supposed to be charged to 100%?

The batteries used in phones degrade quickest below 20% and above 80% of charge. This is already at room temperature. When the batteries or phone is hot the degradation at those state of charge (SoC) is even worse. In the car when using CarPlay the phone can get really warm, especially if it is in the sunlight which tends to happen easily. When left in the shade it gets hot due to restricted airflow. Therefore I woul…

Aren't there some internal safeguards already in place to prevent overcharging?

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by muro »

majormajor wrote: post #31
mritun wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CarPlay and AndroidAuto don’t give the car any access to the phone data and that’s the “problem” GM seems trying to “fix”. CarPlay and AndroidAuto protocols basically treat car’s display as a remote framebuffer.

There's been some controversy about data collection going the other way the Android side. https://www.motortrend.com/features/13-cool-facts-about-the-... > As part of the agreement an automaker would have to enter with Google, Porsche said certain pieces of data must be collected and transmitted back to Mountain View, California. Stuff like vehicle speed, throttle position, coolant and oil temp, engine revs—basically…

Automatic volume adjustment probably needs access to engine revs.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by jojobas »

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #137
mlsu wrote: post #32

How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

I thought the whole "integration" thing was bullshit in the first place, but a proprietary GM system? This marks a return to the days of massively overpriced AM radios. The problem now is the way these systems are physically molded into the car. Back in the day you could put a good radio in. Good luck with that now. All we really needed for the last 15 years was a recess in every dashboard in which to put our already…

There are plenty of aftermarket head units for specific cars. It's not that hard for the manufacturers to make another plastic part. You shouldn't have to though, now that there is this dual communication standard.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by muro »

userbinator wrote: post #47
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Detaching the entertainment system from the car and making it just a dumb touchscreen and speakers must have really grinded the gears of auto makers. I can now upgrade my entire entertainment system, GPS, phone, etc. by replacing a phone. They’d prefer you get another car when your system is feeling old. I don’t even understand why my 2020 car had an optional GPS add-on for thousands of dollars. Android Auto / CarPla…

had an optional GPS add-on for thousands of dollars I guess it's for people who don't know better. Even a standalone GPS won't cost that much, and as a bonus, you can take it with you.

Built-in GPS has telemetry access and can be much more precise - e.g. in tunnels.

15 years ago, drove a BMW 1 series that was more precise. Today, driving a Volvo XC90, it gets confused in an underground garage and doesn't reset using GPS signal fast enough.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by remorses »

mlsu wrote: post #32

How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

high-margin? They currently lose money on their EVs
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