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GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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I also trust Carplay and Android Auto security since no data is sent out of the phone.

Are you sure about this? I seem to remember connecting my iPhone to a rental car and realizing that it had transferred my contact list into the car somehow.

That's if you connect it over old-school Bluetooth, and it shows a permission prompt asking you if you want to do it or not.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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The better option is: remove infotainment completely and _require_ a smartphone for anything other than FM/AM radio. * Support an open protocol for rendering images/video/animations on the screen. Sorta like... you know, CarPlay. * Have controls for what events are allowed to be sent to the connected device. Don't want your phone to know your Throttle Position? Turn that shit off. Don't want your phone to know whethe…

Sure, if you live somewhere with constant cellular connection or you're not sharing a vehicle with someone else. What really irks me is when a connected device is required to do something trivial. My dad's 2021 GMC truck recently got an OTA update that removed the built in map. I discovered this when I was driving in the country and came upon construction with closed roads. I tried to pull up the map and look for a r…

I guess I grew up in an era where built-in sat-nav was a luxury good.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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I personally love CarPlay. A requirement for my next vehicle is wireless CarPlay, and I will not even begin to consider it if it does not have that. Some people want ventilated seats or a V8. I want CarPlay. I think this is a very silly move by GM that they will quickly reverse.

After having wireless CarPlay, not sure I can ever go back. It’s really nice to get in the car and just go, and everything from my phone is automatically on the dash and controllable with the car’s native controls. The last thing I want is for my car to be another device with its own subscription, accounts, applications, configuration, etc.

Given the trouble my rental has connected wired CarPlay I am not convinced about wireless CarPlay.

Also, I find google maps navigation to drain quite a bit. Don’t you wanna charge?

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Yeah but this is par for the course for android, it's less about android auto and more about Google being Google. Reclaim your privacy. Buy an iPhone.

Lol, you believe apple actually cares about your privacy? No mainstream phone does, want a true privacy-respecting and usable phone? Buy a pixel and install grapheneOS on it.

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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Sure, if you live somewhere with constant cellular connection or you're not sharing a vehicle with someone else. What really irks me is when a connected device is required to do something trivial. My dad's 2021 GMC truck recently got an OTA update that removed the built in map. I discovered this when I was driving in the country and came upon construction with closed roads. I tried to pull up the map and look for a r…

> constant cellular connection This isn't at all required for music or maps. Phones have up to a terabyte of storage now.

It is not theoretically required, but most (all?) phones don't cache all the map tiles between the origin and destination. You'd have to proactively download all the map regions you think you might need.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

I thought the whole "integration" thing was bullshit in the first place, but a proprietary GM system?

This marks a return to the days of massively overpriced AM radios. The problem now is the way these systems are physically molded into the car. Back in the day you could put a good radio in. Good luck with that now.

All we really needed for the last 15 years was a recess in every dashboard in which to put our already-giant phones, with a power and audio dock. I can't deny that CarPlay works relatively decently in my experience, but it's not really necessary.

Even worse is the removal of auxiliary jacks from car stereos, another huge regression. So people can't even get a Bluetooth adapter that plugs into it and supplant this GM nonsense.

There is no end to the mania for screwing the consumer. Subscription car features... WTF. Keep your old cars, people.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

The most sold EV brand in the US with about 2/3 of market share doesn't allow CarPlay either.

Now don't get me wrong, I want my Apple Carplay too. I wouldn't want to buy a car without it.

But the argument that "as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes" I just don't see happen in real life today. Most EV buyers chose a Tesla. No CarPlay or Android Auto in that one.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…

The most sold EV brand in the US with about 2/3 of market share doesn't allow CarPlay either. Now don't get me wrong, I want my Apple Carplay too. I wouldn't want to buy a car without it. But the argument that "as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes" I just don't see happen in real life today. Most EV buyers chose a Tesla. No CarPlay or Android Auto in that one.

> The most sold EV brand in the US with about 2/3 of market share doesn't allow CarPlay either.

4.8% of the overall vehicle market.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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post #39

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I personally love CarPlay. A requirement for my next vehicle is wireless CarPlay, and I will not even begin to consider it if it does not have that. Some people want ventilated seats or a V8. I want CarPlay. I think this is a very silly move by GM that they will quickly reverse.

After having wireless CarPlay, not sure I can ever go back. It’s really nice to get in the car and just go, and everything from my phone is automatically on the dash and controllable with the car’s native controls. The last thing I want is for my car to be another device with its own subscription, accounts, applications, configuration, etc.

What, you don’t want an expensive subscription that fades into the background of your life while providing a significantly worse experience?
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